Twelfth Sunday in Ordinary Time, Year A
Music for 8:00 AM Mass, Blessed Sacrament Church, Stowe, Vt.
Opening3: City of God, vv. 1-2 (Schutte)
Sign of the Cross1: spoken, English
Greeting1: spoken, English
Penitential Rite:2: Form A, spoken English
Kyrie2: spoken, English
Gloria2: spoken, English
Collect/Opening Prayer1: spoken, English
First Reading3: spoken
Verbum Domini dialogue3: spoken, English
Psalm3: spoken, English
Second Reading3: spoken
Verbum Domini dialogue3: spoken, English
Gospel Acclamation3: Celtic Alleluia, refrain only (O’Carroll/Walker)
Dialogue before the Gospel: spoken, English
Gospel Reading3: spoken
Verbum Domini dialogue1: spoken, English
Homily Topics: Diocesan fundraising effort.
General Intercessions2: “Lord, hear our prayer”, spoken
Offertory3: Isaiah 49, vv. 1 (Landry)
Orate fratres dialogue: spoken, English
Prayer over the Gifts: spoken, English
Preface dialogue1: spoken, English
Preface1: spoken, English
Sanctus1: St. Louis Jesuits Mass
Eucharistic Prayer: II, spoken English
Mysterium Fidei: spoken, English
Anamnesis: Form A, Mass of Creation (Haugen)
Per ipsum: chanted, English
Amen: Mass of Creation (Haugen)
Lord’s Prayer invitation:1 spoken, English
Lord’s Prayer1: spoken, English
“Deliver us, Lord”1: spoken, English
Lord’s Prayer, embolism1: spoken, English
Pax Domini1: spoken, English
Agnus Dei2: sung English, unrecognized setting
Communion3: You Are Mine, vv. 1-4 (Haas)
Concluding prayer1: spoken, English
“Ite, missa est” dialogue1: spoken, English
Update: Please see the additional notes on this particular Mass before making further comments.
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My goodness. The St Louis Jesuits Mass has lots of extra words in it. And you’ve got all the bubblegum hymns there. I bet that u were squirming as they were being sung.
My goodness! “Spoken, English” is a popular hymn at that church.
Aristotle, how’s your stomach after that Mass? I have some extra Tums here if you need them. ![]()
BMP
The 1970’s called.. They’d like their music back.
matthew.
aae - i liked your very gracious recap afterwards. i didn’t realize, reading this music listing, that there was actually a guitar ensemble. goodness.
or, more accurately perhaps, badness.
anyway, glad you came through it as you did.
Isn’t the most important thing, far and away, that the people were singing robustly? People, get off your high horses and see the forest for the trees. I’ve been a music minister for over 30 years, and I am quite ‘traditional’ in my musical tastes (whatever that means). However, the one thing I’ve learned about music in liturgy that surpasses everything is that it be pastoral. Introduce new music, of course, but learn to love the sound of your congregation singing, whether you like the song or not! The 70’s may seem “old-fashioned” to you, but what might they think about “Hymn To Joy” that exceeds 200 years? Shame on any of us for criticizing a singing congregation.
That 70’s call? They only get Isaiah 49 and the Holy. The rest of it is 80’s.
But David’s response is pretty much mine. I’d add it’s not often you find a choir of any size at an 8AM Mass. Good job for the parish!
David and Todd, people may be singing robustly, but what’s the use if they are singing texts which are theologically wrong or liturgically inappropriate? We serve the liturgy *first* and then comes pastoral needs.
Norman,, while I am not enamored myself with “City of God”, “Isaiah 49″ or “You Are Mine”, I fail to see what is theologically wrong or liturgically inappropriate about them, as you claim. They serve the liturgy just fine. Don’t forget that the word ‘liturgy’ means ‘the work of the people’ at worship. If they are singing out, the ‘work’ is being accomplished!
That’s almost the exact Mass plan used at the church I visited last Sunday (except they sang “Be Not Afraid” for Communion), and there was likewise a lot of singing. I’m with David here; just because *you* don’t like the style doesn’t mean this church was bad or anything. And Norman, I agree that liturgical inappropriateness trumps other concerns, but all the objections here on this note have been strictly stylistic.
Some of us grew up in the 70s and 80s; this *is* traditional church music. I like hymns and (some) chant too, but I don’t ever want to entirely lose “City of God” et al from liturgical use.
Well, my remarks that we serve the liturgy first were meant to counter the statement by David that “However, the one thing I’ve learned about music in liturgy that surpasses everything is that it be pastoral”. We serve the liturgy first. My apologies if it was taken to be criticism of the style.
Anyway, more food for thought. While I’m sure its a great thing that everyone is singing at Mass, why do we have to get the congregation to sing everything anyway? Pope John Paul II has said that “Worshippers are not passive, for instance, when listening to the readings or the homily, or following the prayers of the celebrant, and the chants and music of the liturgy” (http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP2adlim.htm)
[Aristotle, you may take down this comment if you think it will denegerate from being a discussion into an argument]
“While I’m sure its a great thing that everyone is singing at Mass, why do we have to get the congregation to sing everything anyway?”
First, it’s clear that the congregation didn’t sing everything that was possible to sing. But song is called for in the 1970 Rite at many times, and the presumption is that the people will sing at those times, plus others that are pastorally suitable (after the final blessing, for example).
Second, I echo David again: two of these songs are scripturally based, and all are sound expressions of Catholic worship. They may not be in alignment with my tastes, but criticism of these songs is largely a matter of personal taste.
Aristotle,
I would like to say that I think it is terrible when inappropriate music makes it hard for one to pray the Mass.
I do not believe guitar music is appropriate at Mass. I don’t care that Lassus motets may or may not have been accompanied by a lute. Guitar music and “sing-along” flavor songs may be wonderful in certain settings, but I don’t think Mass is one of them.
Let us all strive to correct this in a positive way! Let us make sure we never come across as people who look at the liturgy as snobbish people look at fine dining. I guess the best part is, even if a Mass has distracting, inappropriate music, at least we can offer it up for the poor souls in purgatory, right?
This link is encouraging to me:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=89706&cat=World
JMO
Todd wrote:
“criticism of these songs is largely a matter of personal taste.”
Todd, you haven’t yet learned your lesson. It is NOT “taste.”
However, as an empiricist, I note here one of the few situations where contemporary music, accompanied by guitars, results in considerable participation by the assembled congregation: A small church that did not use artificial amplification.
So, while I think this parish may be capable of doing better quality music — as measured by such things as regularity of rhythm, stepwise motion, a harmonic rhythm that moves, et al. — that the people respond here is a much better situation than in many places, where the people are largely mute.
RP, with respect, no lesson is here for me to learn. Comments such as, “Guitar music and “sing-along” flavor songs may be wonderful in certain settings, but I don’t think Mass is one of them.” are indeed matters of personal opinion and taste. That’s not a bad thing, mind you, just not as high up on a musician’s list as other considerations.
There may indeed be situations in which better musical choices are available, but the best music is often not the best choice for any number of reasons.
It has also been my experience that the guitar and/or ensemble is well-suited for more intimate spaces, but my parish church is quite large and the people sing equally well with organ, piano, or even a cappella.
The best choice is to get good, prayerful musicians who can lead singing. Such people will always do a better job with mediocre or just decent music than poor musicians trying to do excellent music.
People in the pews have their own reasons for being mute, and repertoire is not the only reason for it.
We would do well to heed Pope John Paul II on this matter. not all forms of music can be considered suitable for liturgical celebrations.
We would do well to heed Pope John Paul II on this matter. Not all forms of music can be considered suitable for liturgical celebrations.
Hello, friends!
Since this is a discussion (and, happily, a friendly discussion!) may I please say:
I take issue with this comment:
—– Comments such as, “Guitar music and “sing-along” flavor songs may be wonderful in certain settings, but I don’t think Mass is one of them.” are indeed matters of personal opinion and taste. That’s not a bad thing, mind you, just not as high up on a musician’s list as other considerations. —–
For myself, I would say that keeping out inappropriate music should be very high on a musician’s list. At this moment, I can’t think of anything more important, except “making sure that all involved in the choir are of high Christian morals” (as Pius X says in his 1903 motu proprio).
In Our Savior,
JMO
” the best music is often not the best choice for any number of reasons.”
I.e., sometimes inferior music is the most appropriate means by which to praise God?
It’s more important that people be happy than that they offer the very best they can do?
“I.e., sometimes inferior music is the most appropriate means by which to praise God?”
That wouldn’t be the essence of what I said. Lots of people think Mozart’s Ave Verum Corpus is unsurpassed. You can’t do it every week, so are the weeks you take it off the menu inferior by definition? Say your college parish takes off for Christmas, but the remnants can pull off a fair version of AVC, but only know Christmas carols. I suppose I could see doing the piece at Christmas, but strong arguments could be made for other choices of “inferior” music. See what I mean?
Aside from the demands of liturgy, you might also have a choir less capable of putting its best into some styles of music. Do you program music they can do well over and above music that would be a stretch? As a director, I don’t set up my people to fail. I do challenge their sensibilities, but there are limits to what some groups can accomplish.
“It’s more important that people be happy than that they offer the very best they can do?”
No. If you’re talking people in the pew, it’s more important they offer their best by singing what they know when it’s their time to sing. I’ve no doubt I could program three hymns and a psalm this weekend better than what’s on the menu already. But it would accomplish little to call a special practice for cantors to teach them what the people don’t know and won’t sing on spot.
A good music director knows the people who sing in the pews and those who lead them. I’d presume the process takes years, if not a generation, to move a parish toward a good expression of a higher musical ideal. And frankly, some people in my position don’t bother. Others are fighting the battle in other areas: teaching in schools, getting decent instruments for the church, recruiting, or doing the other liturgy pieces of the parish equation.
So please be considerate, if you will, and not misconstrue priorities for ill motives.
Well, before we get to issues of style, there is the much more weighty issue of singing the liturgy.
It is much more important (not required, but more important) that the psalm be sung than singing hymns. The Gloria is the chief hymn of the congregation, and should be sung (not required, but more important than singing an offertory hymn or other similar hymn). Et cet.
You can even chant the Gloria in a monotone and provide a lovely accompaniment; Ted Marier’s great arrangement of such is public domain and available from Cantica Nova.
You get the idea.
Hymns are condiments, not courses.
And when we really believe that, we will waste much less time venting over hymn choices.
Amen. A reading of the GIRM will reveal that “In the choosing of the parts actually to be sung, however, preference should be given to those that are of greater importance and especially to those to be sung by the priest or the deacon or the lector, with the people responding, or by the priest and people together”. (paragraph 40).
A pity no one told me that there was this GIRM thing when I was with my church choir trying to get a bunch of karaoke-loving singers to be more reverent. But then again, if I had announced “No final hymn today” (because I would have concentrated on rehearsing the mass parts with the choir), I would have been set upon immediately by half the congregation. The other half would go to another parish just 20 minutes way.
In my limited experience, such a group might well want to sing the Psalm but need encouragement to try (maybe to overcome being intimidated by the Word, or botch it once to learn that lightning won’t strike). Strumming/picking and then chanting a chord might be a serviceable start. (Monterverdi lute comes later.) The designated very-most-important acclamations were sung, and there was no recessional hymn, good signs they’re ready for another step.








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