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It’s possible that the fisking of our host appreciates the bit of sympathy felt.
Seriously, though, to address the three-pronged question:
What purpose do these weekly listings really serve?
To me, the weekly listings simply serve as a field report—nothing less, nothing more. Of course, that implies that they served another purpose at some time in the past. Dissatisfaction, catharsis, etc.
If visitors care to attach some sort of meaning to the weekly listings, that is their prerogative. At this point, I post merely to let viewers know I’m still alive and relatively well.
To share a few knowing smirks…?
I admit I used to, but not anymore.
Do the readers of this site need convincing…?
Are the readers willing to address this question?
I’ve been pursuing more pressing long-term matters and pushed this journal to the back-burner. I’ve probably spent too much time responding to this—I hope you appreciate the donation (or waste of bandwidth, depending on the perspective).
Now, feel free to debate the tone of this post. Should be, um, interesting.
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Dear friends,
I had not realized the verbal grenade I tossed when I posted my previous comments. It’s just been so long since I last fisked… ![]()
Seriously, after my comments I received a very nice and welcoming email from the webhost inviting me to spend more time here. Since then, I have done much more reading on this site and I do appreciate the information presented. I am a 37 yr old cradle Catholic who was raised in that beautiful era of balloons, pizza parties and banners we called the seventies version of catholic education (and somehow came out of it what I guess they call a radtrad?). I am now the music director in a growing parish in rural Michigan, in addition to being the director of choirs, etc. in the same public school district. I hold strongly to the belief that we are dumbing down our congregations and moving ever farther from the teachings of the church through the use of litugically inappropriate music (have read all those same books we all have re: why Catholics can’t sing, etc.) I started the music directorship (which includes organist/cantor, music scheduling and choir director) four years ago, after sitting for many years watching the “performances” of the choir and soloists and seeing a sad trend away from the altar and toward ecumenical pop tunes. I have taken the change slowly with the parish (introducing chant during the midnight mass- hodie Christus natus est- and Easter vigil and so on) and now am devoting all of the choir’s time to the learning of traditional Catholic hymnody and chant. We have Word and Song (not my favorite, especially considering how few songs are dedicated to adoration/eucharist as opposed to their inclusion of pieces such as “This little light of mine” (no kidding). I have the priest on board to adopt the Adoremus hymnal for next year, but it’s a pretty big expense and we both don’t want to buy it and have the liturgy changes happen which renders them kind of obsolete. Also, as soon as the music arrives, which after the buyout of our local music distributer by J.W. Pepper has become everybody’s guess) I will be starting to do communion antiphons as opposed to hymns. I am pumped about this! Ironically, I probably do more traditional sacred music in my MS and HS classes (last year’s top choir did the Haydn lil’ organ mass- this year the Rutter Gloria and the Mozart Sparrow Mass in the Spring)– just have to find a way to get those kids all Catholic and I am set for church choir…
Didn’t mean to ramble; just wanted those that commented back to me to know I am DEFINITELY in the trenches (complete with the nucleus of 8 church choir, of which one is a warbler and one automatically sings parallel harmony to whatever I teach) and that I am just searching for ideas and affirmations and guidance through this journey we call music ministry. I would greatly enjoy starting a dialogue with anyone who is willing to share. Goodness know I love to talk about it (obviously).
P.S. I’m already a member of the H&H moratorium, hence the scathing attack on Marty. God bless ‘im. ![]()
Peace, all.
I think it is the rare Catholic music director who believes everything in her or his parish is set up ideally. That’s musical, liturgical, professional, etc., and there is always something to work on. Personally, I’d like to be more skilled at the keyboard and have more time for arranging and composing, but music isn’t my primary job at my parish, and something usually has to give. I wish I had more choirs active, and we could concentrate on adding more good pieces to the assembly repertoire, but there may be a bit more conservativism than I might wish.
That said, I’ve posted here, on my own site, and elsewhere that the seemingly constant critical attacks do no good whatsoever (two thunmbs down to the moratorium, for example). I’d be far more interested in the “ideal” Sunday music list, for example, what Aris would program for a parish, monastery, or specialized community, assuming his ideal hymnal, ideal choral resources, ideal organist, etc.. Even more interesting might be a collective suggestion list of the items we’re proud of programming — and only those. Over the course of three years, our host would have a considerable database of fine suggestions.
I have found in most all walks of life it pays to be positive. I doubt musicians are the exception to this rule.
“What purpose do these weekly listings really serve?”
I suggest anyone who is not interested in them, save himself the time trouble of reading them.
I am interested, and through these and other posts in other places, have found parishes to attend (or avoid,) while traveling (or in a recent case, recommend to a family member who was relocating.)
I know that a number of MDs post their own programs on RPI, and used to on GIA. Do you have some objection to that, as well, Todd?
“To share a few knowing smirks…?”
If it pleases you to be charitable and think so, Todd, that is your perogative, but speaking only for myself, the situation is often painful, and never risible. (The music itself may be hysterically funny, but its presence during a sacred liturgy is not.)
“Do the readers of this site need convincing…?”
Which readers would those be? The internet is like the river — one sits in one place yet never sees the same reiver twice. One can post to the same newsgroup repeatedly and never reach the exact same audience twice.
(K For, for instance, is a new name to me, at any rate.)
And as to needing convincing, I was on the Internet, and confused by what I saw as a Chicken Little attitude among many serious church musicians for quite some time before I was convinced, by experience, that large chunks of the sky had indeed fallen and were continuing to fall.
So I, for one, am grateful to the Cassandras I mistook for Chickens.
Dear readers:
I think that Todds questions, as inflammatory as they appear to be, nonetheless have some importance, and should be answered.
What purpose do these weekly listings really serve?
Back in the days when I still read The American Spectator, they had a column which consisted of quotes from particularly egregious newsevents, which the Spectator entitled The Continuing Crisis. For me, the weekly listings serve the purpose of shedding a light on the continuing crisis in American Roman Catholic Liturgy and Liturgical Music. It is not surprising that Todd takes umbrage to this depiction. His attitude, as expressed in this column and elsewhere, can best be presented by the album cover and title of one of Supertramps albums: Crisis? What Crisis?. For those who have not seen the cover, it is a scene of an overindustrialized and desolate slum in the background, with John Cleese in a bathing suit lying on a lawn chair, with a beach umbrella and a small table with a drink and a straw nearby.
To share a few knowing smirks at some poor uneducated sap’s taste in liturgical music?
I cannot speak for Aristotle, but as for myself, the day has long past since I was amused by the post-Vatican II liturgical disaster, or by particular exponents or examples of it. My reaction, and the reaction of most Orthodox and Eastern Catholics that I have spoken to or read on the subject, has been pity, sorrow, and alarm. Pity, for the many Catholics who have had to wade through the pools of liturgical pabulum of so-called liturgists and musicians; Sorrow, that a once great liturgical tradition appears to have lost the heart and soul of its music; and alarm, lest reformers in the Orthodox churches manage to make the same royal botch of the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom that RC reformers have made of the Gregorian Missa.
Do the readers of this site really need more convincing that liturgical music is not in a good state?
No, but neither do we need the pretense that everything is just fine, thank you.
Peac,e Mr Brandt.
I appreciate the mild defense. Thanks. Someone who reads me at least past the veneer of sarcasm should know that I share the desire for mugh higher standards in church music. Personally, I’ve never been one to be satisfied with pianists pretending to be organists and wondering what all those silly wood bars are doing down near the crescendo pedal, nor with guitarists in search of the lost chord, nor with the soloist on the lookout for the perfect piercing microphone.
However.
I know when my own whining gets to be an assault on my own ears. And when it’s often time to shut up and get to work, as they say. I’m disheartened, but not really surprised to see my suggestion so quickly sklathed over to apply a really positive focus to the cause of better church music. I don’t think students need to read cases of malpractice to perfect their study of medicine. Sadly, it is altogether safer and more self-serving to ridicule someone else’s poor performance than to place one’s own principles on the line with one’s catty peers.
Sometimes the most meaningful comment is an action.
One aspiring to live a Christian life seeks to reduce the dichotomy between the interior and exterior life of the soul.
As an apostolate focused on the active life, in particular the Kulturkampf with the Culture of Death, hence Times Against Humanity, we recognize the need for the active life to be grounded in the contemplative lest we fall into the heresy of good works (cf. Soul of the Apostolate). In this regard, Times is revising our blog links and have added a “Department of the Interior” to give greater prominence to brother blogs that help us to do just that.
Confessions of a Recovering Choir Director is a treasured member of that list. Please continue your vital apostolate, which has our love in Christ and our prayers.
Earl
>Do you all people think the same way?
In what is essential, conformity. In what is not - diversity. In all things charity.
Dear Todd, and readers:
I would like to offer my apologies (particularly to Todd) for the harshness in the tone of my last entry. It was borne out of the bitterness that welled up in me on September 8, the Feast of the Nativity of the Theotokos (or Mother of God). That day was also the fourteenth anniversary of my marriage to my first wife, Carolyn. I lost Carolyn more than eleven years ago to cancer. My second wife, Elizabeth, is now undergoing a dangerous, debilitating, and painful course of chemotherapy against the cancer that is now threatening her life.
Nonetheless, I will not apologise for the content of that entry. I would rather expand upon it, as follows:
I believe that AAE, through this excellent weblog, has worked abundantly towards the goal of introducing good liturgical music and the teachings of scripture, tradition, and church authority as regards the service of the liturgy. He has done this through offering freely the good work he has done as regards the Rosary and Evening Prayer; through the many commentaries on GIRM and otherwise; through pointing out many free sources of liturgical music, eastern and western, that is currently on the Internet; by introducing his readers to a large number of people and groups that are attempting to fulfill the actual mandates of Vatican II regarding the Divine Liturgy and Sacred Music; and finally, by presenting without comment the music (both good and bad) which is either being served or committed in American churches today. I believe he has no reason to apologise for or to change any of these practices, especially the last.
As regards AAE’s practice of posting schedules of music from other churches, he has done so without comment, and has shown both wonderful and execrable examples. I have been unable to detect any note of sneering, whining or condescension in this, or in the tone of any of his writings; in fact, I have found a more measured and cordial tone in AAE’s writings or comments than I have found from many other contributors, Todd and myself included.
I commend AAE for his good work on his weblog, and I hope that in spite of the fact that he has many other things to do, that his weblog will continue. As for those who criticize AAE’s work, I think that it would be more profitable for us all to emulate it than to criticize it.
Peace, all.
Mr Brandt, I appreciate and accept your apology. My wife also has a debilitating illness, though not life-threatening, is likely permanent and often a source of some frustration to all in the household.
I did not mean to offend our host here, whom I commend for his artistic and liturgical sensibilities. Unlike some, I do detect a certain feeling of superiority in postings on other churches, which are often the subject of comment by the host. At the very least, their portrayal here often sparks comments far from charitable from posters — part of the overall spirit of complaint in the Church.
I think Mr Ford’s misreading of AAE’s intent is telling. I agree that AAE is under no duress to change his practices. But I think such practices are not without consequences.
“I think that it would be more profitable for us all to emulate it than to criticize it.”
I disagree. It would be most profitable for each of us to emulate the highest standards we can in liturgical music. A negative tone presented or facilitated does little or nothing to build up the sanctification of the faithful through high standards of liturgical music. As long as we set up an understanding in which some can be criticized, such competitive critique will always remain with us, I fear. If there weren’t the whipping boys of contemporary liturgical music, St Blog’s would be filled instead with Palestrina-Mozart death matches, or the like. I remember all too well the cattiness of some church musicians about matters deeply trivial, and I think it does us little good to indulge such attitudes today.
Dear Todd:
While I disagree with you as regards your interpretation of AAE’s tone, I entirely agree that we should emulate the highest standards in liturgical music. It might be reasonable to determine, or at least for each of us to state, what we believe those standards to be.
As for me, I feel that the highest standards for both Eastern and Western liturgical musics are based upon their respective chants. This is so partially because for most people (including me), music means melody. In particular, I agree with the poet Ezra Pound when he said that music becomes decadent when it departs too far from melody.
Gregorian chant in the West, and Byzantine and Slavic chant in the East, contain some of the most beautiful and moving melodies which exist. I believe that the polyphony of the West, from the 13th century to the present, is strongest when it expresses chant, whether by Palestrina, Mozart, Brahms, Durufle, or Paul Gibson. Likewise, when the chant, or the words which drive it, become lost in the music, I believe that the music is the less for it.
It might be helpful in this discussion if you, Todd, were to say in particular what you believe to be the basis of the highest standards of liturgical music, and who are the best exemplars of those standards in contemporary music.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Todd said:I think Mr Ford’s misreading of AAE’s intent is telling.
I agree. And WHAT it tells us, since Ford was able to misread AAE’s neutral reportage as approbation, is that AAE’s tone was decidedly NOT “smirking.”
And said: If there weren’t the whipping boys of contemporary liturgical music, St Blog’s would be filled instead with Palestrina-Mozart death matches, or the like.
If it pleases you to think so, so be it.
In charity I will assume that you are not saying that smirkingly.
Mr Brandt, you and your wife are still in my prayers.
Peace, Geraldine.
In this one post, point taken.
I was thinking of this comment from a few weeks ago, “Of course, debate is expected and inevitable.” I think our host is well aware of the vigorous opinions taken against some forms of music. Clearly, I have no window from AAE’s computer, so I cannot tell you there is an actual smirk on his (or on any other face). Whether you agree with my assessment of smirking or not, what have you to say about a more positive and exemplary approach to music listings?
Mr Brandt, give me a day or two to ponder your challenge. I’ll post on my own blog.
“what have you to say about a more positive and exemplary approach to music listings?”
There was just such a thread, on-going when I first began reading this blog, if memory serves (which it does too seldom of late.)
I Looked up several selections named to my pleasure and edification, and rethought my assessment of some others (but didn’t actually change my mind on any of them.)
There were disagreements (again, if memory serves,) but it was altogether amicable and educational.
I would be delighted to plump for two pieces of recent vintage toward which I was steered by comments on the Internet.
Carl Schalk’s “Now the Silence,” and David Hurd’s “Christ Mighty Savior.”
And a p.s. -
I think AAE has, several times, published an “ideal” program for a particular feast, one of which, IIRC (ah, that memory things again,) brought forth a (half-serious?) job offer from Fr Keyes.
(Whose list of contemporary hymnody that best exemplifies the “ideal” in liturgical music I would assuredly like to see. It’s my laziness — you are right in your constant refrain, there IS a great deal of good being published, but be honest, it’s only because there is a great deal being published, PERIOD. Look at the sheer size of some of the latest, most hyped hymnals. Wading through the rubbish is time consuming and wearying, and it’s wonderful to have other pairs of discerning ears out there, narrowing down the field. And as to the Moratorium Society, well, again - there is far too much out there to be able to look at everything, and I figure the odds of it being even acceptable, in light of their track records, are slim enough that works by Messrs. Haugen or Haas are not worth my time. If they are worth yours, fine. And if someone whose opinion I value has a particular selection to recommend, I would of course, peruse it.)








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