A lay apostolate for chant?
Maybe what’s needed for a large-scale renaissance of chanted worship in the Roman Church is to have it tied to some sort of lay organizational structure. Here’s my rough proposal for such an organization.
The organization would be modeled like a guild—”The Guild of St. Gregory the Great”, perhaps?—and its objective would be to teach its members the beauty of chant in anticipation for at least one Latin Novus Ordo Mass in every parish, and to ensure that the Sunday indult Tridentine liturgies would be High Masses.
- Apprentice chanters would learn:
- square notation
- chanted dialogues
- basic psalm tones
- Mass VIII*:
- Mass XVI:
- Mass XVIII:
- Credo III [ mp3 ]
- Lord’s Prayer A [ mp3 ] plus embolism
- Seasonal Marian antiphons:
- Ecclesiastical Latin pronunciation.
- Pages, in addition to mastering Apprentice requirements, would be responsible for:
- Mass I:
- Mass IX:
- Mass XI:
- Credo I [ mp3 ]
- Lord’s Prayer B plus embolism
- Solemn psalm tones**
- Sequences:
- Text pointing for psalms in Latin and vernacular tongues.
- Masters would possess solid sight-reading skills and learn:
- three additional Mass settings
- the Lord’s Prayer C plus embolism
- antiphons, responses and tracts from the Graduale Simplex and/or By Flowing Waters
- how to point text for sung readings in Latin and the vernacular.
Masters would also have internalized knowledge gained by being Apprentices and Pages previously.
- The tasks of Guardian chanters would be:
- sight-reading and mastering the antiphons of the Graduale Romanum
- chanting at Solemn High Masses of either missal
- encouraging and monitoring the establishment and development of parish chant guilds outside of their own.
With this model, developing Apprentices and Pages could provide the Propers, Ordinaries, responses and dialogues for all Masses of the year. In such a case, the antiphon texts would be set to the introit psalm tones, while verses would be set to the basic psalm tones**. As guild members progress to more complex and solemn antiphons, the solemnity of the parish liturgy would progress as well, while maintaining a high standard of quality.
Guild members can take part in the liturgy as either choir members or members of the congregation.
Practice could actually take the form of a liturgy—weekday Mass and/or Vespers at first, then eventually Sunday Mass and/or Vespers. Priests would also be available to join the Guild and learn the parts that pertain to them (dialogues, Gospel chants, Canons, prefaces, and so forth).
The strategy of promoting chant for Mass would be much like the Holy Father’s governance of the Church—forcefully gentle persuasion, but not coercion. When the time comes that Gregorian chant and Latin is embraced once again by the Church, the Guild’s members will be ready and will continue the tradition.
Feedback welcome.
* A Kyriale containing all eighteen Vatican Edition Masses may be found online in PDF format. They are also found in the Graduale Romanum.
** C. David Burt’s Anglican Use Gradual, in PDF format, has the vernacular texts of the Graduale Romanum pointed to solemn and simple psalm tones. Rev. Carlo Rossini’s Proper of the Mass has the Latin texts as described above.
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As the recent Guinness ads say:
“Brilliant!”
Especially if it is promoted not just as a way to learn music for its own sake, but also as a devotional ritual. This is a way that people who do not consider themselves singers could be persuaded to join in, much as people with so-so speaking voices can easily be persuaded to do readings. We don’t expect all readers to sound like James Earl Jones, why should we expect all singers to sound like (insert your opinion of a good singing voice).
“This is a way that people who do not consider themselves singers could be persuaded to join in, much as people with so-so speaking voices can easily be persuaded to do readings. We don’t expect all readers to sound like James Earl Jones, why should we expect all singers to sound like (insert your opinion of a good singing voice).”
Such a good point.
We lost some very fine cantors, because they just couldn’t cut the tessitura of the Haugen/Haas style psalms which the music director favors, especially at seven in the morning.
Two weeks ago, subbing for a sick cantor/song-leader, when I myself had almost no voice, I had to drop down the octave on a number of the hymns and parts of the ordinary, but the chanted psalm (with a resonse adapted from the Liber Usualis,) was no problem and sounded, if I may be immodest, beautiful.
The limited ranges and easy-on-the-larynx stepwise motion make Gregorian chant unbeatable for the singer and “non-singer” alike.
Well, don’t forget that chant was developed in monasteries, where the monks would sing the propers and ordinaries and the chants for the Liturgy of the Hours. They weren’t professional musicians. There aren’t a lot of chants that have a range of more than ten or twelve notes (an octave and a half) and most people can handle that.
I like your proposal. It could work. I think we need more organizations for the laity, and organiziations geared toward music, traditional pieties, and youth (especially children) are what needs to happen. In fact, my Newman-Stein Fellowship small group was talking about this last night.
I’m afraid I can’t place myself in one of your categories yet, though. I can sight-read and master antiphons from the Graduale Romanum, but I only know three Mass settings and one Credo. This is what happens when you learn for a specific parish Mass, instead of taking a more wholistic approach.
I love it! Perhaps, since the idea was presented on St. Cecilia’s Eve, it would be proper to include her as a patroness as well as St. Gregory.
What a nifty idea! While my part of the country is dominated by the Haugen/Haas school of liturgical music (if we’re lucky), I think the guild approach might have some application. Especially where there are indult Masses, many of which could use some musical uplift.
I’m going to link to this posting forthwith on my own blog.
Latin Masses, old and new rite, are the natural home for chant, but given current realities, chant must also find a home in the vernacular Masses. Based on past experience with some workshops, our schola is making an effort toward a diocesan-wide workshop in February 2004, with the idea that parishes will send their music staff and singers. For all but the oldest participants, this music will be entirely new. It’s a beginning in any case.
OK, I’m in. Where do I sign? But seriously, any suggestions about implementing such a plan on a parish (or wider) scale?
Why reïnvent the wheel? If American, contact the Church Music Association of America ( http://www.musicasacra.com/ ); if international, contact the CIMS. They can provide advice and support. Not to mention training!
Sign me up!
And anyone want to join this gulid of chanters here at the University of Chicago. We need some help especially since I am a missionary and am often called to the road.
I’m about 12 miles from there.
(of course, my Saturday evenings and Sunday mornings are filled, because I have four choirs, but I’d surely love to rehearse with and learn from you. When do you think you’ll be meeting?)
Would be very interested to know if there is anything like this on Long Island. I believe you have a priest at St. Ignatius who might be supportive, he used to chant the Agnus Dei during daily Mass out here in Smithtown.
Hey, I wanna teach Gregorian chant to the world too, ‘cuz I need an idea for an apostolate, ‘cuz I got way too much time on my hands. Anybody starting a guild, sign me up too.
You know where to find me.
DLA
I don’t believe this particular Chorister’s Guild fulfills many of the hopes we had for such an organization, but I provide the link as a reference, for awareness.
I can’t read music or carry a tune in a bucket, but would be happy to join such an apostolate. We have a very good schola here at Holy Trinity parish (our Indult parish in Boston), but you need to be able to read music to join.
the schola st grégoire has established in france pretty much what you’re talking about. every summer they hold an intensive, week-long session during which participants can begin to learn or perfect (according to their level of degree, of which there are 5) gregorian chant. i’ve often wondered if something similar could exist in the states. why not? it’s up to us to make it happen!
AMDG
I read about your work in Adoremus and was so pleased to see some effort in getting us lovers of the Gregorian chant to speak to each other.
I was a choir director for about a dozen years for assorted novus ordo parishes. For the past 4 years I have been directiing a mixed choir that performs at our regular Sunday 10:45 am Tridentine Mass. At first it was like drinking from a fire hydrant. But now I am more in the swing of things, though still learning new things every week.
I went to a chant practicum a couple of years ago so my comfort level with “square notes” is getting better, but still a lot to learn.
Our choir does 5 Latin Masses and 2 Credo’s, plus a fairly large number of Latin Motets and Hymns. We also have a decent male schola that does the propers, etc.
Our community hears Mass at Blessed Sacrament Church in Kansas City, Mo. Our priests come from the Fraternal Society of Saint Peter and is approved by Rome. In fact, the FSSP, I am told, is the only priestly order founded by the Pope himself.
I am most interested in any activities in our area and in contacting like minded folks in the KC metro area.
Beautiful. Would that you lived in my neighborhood.
My only suggestion is to consider starting with St. Gall neums rather than square notation. This could allow:
* Oral transmission, with all the cognitive and societal richness it engenders
* Focus on the chant as a medium of words of prayer and meaning
* Attention to speech-like directness afforded by Semiology, without reverting to the rhythmic metricness that our prior music-reading experience imposes on square notation.
Please add this to my post above. Using St. Gall neums and oral learning allows chanters to become familiar “from the beginning” with the repertoire of the Graduale, which, in my experience, would be necessary if they’re going to understand and love it.
If I were teaching in your program, I would want to include (at Apprentice level and Page level) two Introit or Communion antiphons in Latin with English psalm verses and Gloria Patri. The English verses allow chanters and congregation to particpate comfortably. The Latin antiphon gives richness and depth.
Here’s a format I’ve used: http://www.iglou.com/watchmakerpress/chant/DominusDixit.jpg
and http://www.iglou.com/watchmakerpress/chant/SpiritusDominiStJoe.jpg
In choosing selections for your apprenticeship program, would it make sense to select the beginning chants taking the “Common Psalm” approach, choosing one of the “Common Psalms” and one of its corresponding antiphons (or even another antiphon) which can be sung (as prelude, prep of Gifts or communion) for a whole season encouraging the congregation to sing the verses? We’d have to be teaching the assembly as we go, at least where I live.
(Hope this isn’t too much comment from an obvious beginner. Thanks for posting your marvelous conversation.)
Maggie, there are actually a lot of us, trying to tend our little gardens out here in the vast liturgical desert that is sacro-pop music.
The archives on your blog are going to make interesting reading!
Dear Maggie and all readers:
Thank you for making available the jpg files of neums. I think using them would be one good means of teaching the chant to the people. I applaud your efforts.
As I recall, the “Graduale Triplex” had two neum styles, that of St. Gall and another, whose name I cannot remember. To date, I have been unable to find any texts or web sites which can show how the neums are to be decyphered. I would appreciate anyone who could direct me to such texts/sites.
My thanks in advance.
Mr. Brandt:
The Laon neumes are in black and the St. Gall family are in red.
If you go to the St. Cecilia Schola Cantorum description of the newest “chant resource” (I just hope they have better customer service than the “old” chant resources!), OCP, as referenced in Mr. Esguerra’s May 3 post, you will find a link to information about a very small (fifty-seven-page, nine-dollar) book entitled “Chant Made Simple by Robert M. Fowells, published in 2000 as a clear and practical introduction.” This book includes several examples with commentary on facing pages.
I saw nothing at all “simple” about it as a text introductory to chant; I did not even bother to show it to the professional singer for whom I had bought it but rather read it myself. Then again I am product of neither the Ward Method nor newly informed studies — I guess you could call me a product of the John W. Schaum Note Speller approach — so I suppose Miss Hettinger will likely disagree, as this would be something like a swift introduction to her approach. We all have to agree, on the other hand, that, at least outside the precious few venerable and living revived Western chant traditions, knowledge and understanding of the “chicken scratch” can usefully inform everyone’s interpretation. The only pedagogical question is: which comes first, the square-note or the scratch?
Dear Mr. Muller and readers:
Thank you for your kindness in directing me to “Chant Made Simple”, and for the proviso regarding its reading. As I am in the process of teaching myself the modern neums for Greek Byzantine Chant, and the older neums for slavic Znamenny chant, perhaps I have a fighting chance of getting through it.
As regards the paedagogical question “Which comes first, the square note or the scratch?” I suggest that the best answer is, whichever is nearest to what the student already knows. I am more familiar with modern musical notation than square notation, and more familiar with square notation than neums. I would not be averse, myself, to teaching Gregorian or other chant to western trained musicians based on western musical notation.
However, Maggie appears to have shown that one can do a good job of teaching those innocent of Western musical notation by the use of simplified neums. I suppose that my proposed answer boils down to “whatever works”.
This is not, however, to deny what Maggie has said about the importance of oral transmission of music, of basing the musical study upon the words being expressed, and in the use of speech patterns rather than metrical patterns in chant. All of these emphases have borne beautiful fruit in her recordings, and are, I suspect, closer to the originals than the meter-bound chant I have heard elsewhere.
Thanks for your kind comments, all.
Geri, I’d like to know more about your garden.
Mr. Mueller–I found “Chant Made Simple” in a bookstore near the end of a two-week seminar on Gregorian Chant. The seminar was given by Fr. Columba Kelly at St. Meinrad, and our entire group LOVED it, BUT I think we all spent most of that time in a haze of confusion. The subject is just so big, and you simply have to do it a lot and hear it a lot.
Anyway, “Chant Made Simple” was the key that unlocked all of Fr. Kelly’s wonderful information. For six months, at least, I sang from that little book every morning, after I sang morning prayer. (That resulted in most of my recordings). Now I am able to listen to Fr. Columba’s classes, which he graciously allowed us to record, and am always finding new understanding. So it’s a chicken-and-egg question. “Chant Made Simple” is the best concise resource I’ve found. But it doesn’t contain the aural experience that you’ll need.
Mr. Brandt–
I like to use (for responsorial psalm) the WLP Psalms and Ritual Music, which allows the cantors & choir to sing chant-style lectionary material. It is written in standard notation, and is a good entrance point. BUT, even with the simpler chant it contains, it is easily misunderstood by singers, who will conceptualize it in modern rhythms. And, there’s none of the melismatic chant there. I don’t think it can be written in modern notation. (It’s a lot like trying to read popular sheet music. They write some of the music, and it’s helpful, but if you haven’t heard the piece, you won’t get it off of the printed page.)
I have very good results teaching chant to children using neums. It works well with my basic music-teaching program (a mix of music for liturgy, Orff Schulwerk, Kodaly, folk music and popular/modern.)
Adults can be different. The big surprise is to run into people who react negatively to chant in general and neums in particular. In my experience, a few have been actually insulted, and they can be very vocal . Thank goodness they are the minority. For choir members with little pitch-reading skill, neums, and then square-notation give a good introduction to the world of music notation. Even those who have greater standard literacy skills begin to use neums be able to move away from the standard notation that does such a disservice to the text. When they are able to sing from the simple printed words, just making small pencil-mark reminders for themselves, their focus changes. Most come to sing chant well with experience, and It IS a primal experience that brings its own reward.
Just a few things to add to the discussion. A good resource for a study of the older neumes once one has gotten through Chant Made Simple, is GREGORIAN SEMIOLOGY. Certainly this is a book for the advanced in semiological studies, but much more approachable than one might think.
In regards a Gregorian Chant lay apostolate, I think this is an excellent idea, and one which should be promoted. I am the choir director at a large Traditional Mass Parish (FSSP) in Sacramento, CA. Besides an adult choir, I have 40 choristers randing in age from 7-13 who spend the first two years (probationary and junior years) exclusively in the study of the Chant before moving on to polyphony. I would love to see something like a guild formed in order to ensure a standard of Chant as well as to promote its use, and the proposal I read seems just the thing. There could even be a “junior” guild as the AGO once had, or perhaps still does. Anyway, I am pleased to see such interest!
Miss Hettinger:
Is Father Columba not a well-studied (I would not want to say, erm, “well-versed”) monk? I have had occasion to write him once or twice but have never heard him lecture. Unfortunately for my purposes and tastes, the Benedictines at St. Meinrad (now simply known as the wealthy Benedictines …) are as an abbey only interested in English chant. I have to concede, though, that if anyone can make it work, they can. They will just have to find an approved translation to use!
“Anyway,” as you say, Mr. Brandt’s point is well taken and jibes with your own point of view. That is, that neumes are a natural way of marking the music and that novices may well take to them quickly. However, there are scads of folks like me who (1) learned square notation some years ago with no particular information on neumes and (2) have often needed quick and dirty — i.e., sightread — propers for a Mass that is to begin in thirty minutes. These conditions make correct study (aural training) and practice of neumes more difficult.
I do not mean to say that Chant Made Simple is a bad book in any way; I have no grounds for criticism! It is just not what one is looking for if he wants to start with square notation.
Is no one going to tell me that I need to think outside the square?
In our parish, at “my” Mass, we just sing the vernacular responsorial psalm, response and all, to psalm tones, by the way (II Advent/Lent, V Christmas/Easter, VIII Sundays of the Year).
Mr. Morse:
It is my understanding that Dom Eugene Cardine’s Beginning Studies in Gregorian Chant was supposed to be studied before his Gregorian Semiology. Again, though, I would hardly criticize anyone for studying them in the “wrong” order.
Mr Muller,
Perhaps it is wise to go through BEGINNING STUDIES IN GREGORIAN CHANT first before GREGORIAN SEMIOLOGY, especially if one is just approaching the Chant for the first time, I hadn’t considered that. Thank you for the clarification. However, anyone with a solid chant backround could probably skip BEGINNING STUDIEs. Dr. Mary Berry as I remember always had her students in Semiologie Gregorienne (it was before the english translation appeared), and one did not study BEGINNING STUDIES. Perhaps though, as she herself was a student of Dom Cardine, she most likely covered the information in that book in lectures. Do you know if both books are still available?
Mr. Mueller & Mr. Morse, and readers,
I hope I didn’t imply anything negative about Fr. Columba or his classes. To me he represents the epitome of the “well-studied” monk, and the chant is a major part of his long and active life. He has my utmost respect. HE studied Dom Cardine, so I feel I can take his interpretation back to the world in which I live, and run with it.
When I took his class, I was under the impression that Gregorian Semiology was not translated. I don’t know why I haven’t checked for it. I’d like to read it now. And “Beginning Studies.”
Just to clarify, the office and liturgy of the monks at St. Meinrad is in English, yet the musicians, at least, still study and sing in Latin as well. I live less than a 2-hr drive from the Abbey, but haven’t been there in over a year. Time to go again.
Question:
What is the difference between Graduale Romanum, Graduale Simplex and Graduale Triplex? I had assumed it was all the same music but presented differently. Of the three, I only own the Triplex.
I’d like to get back on the original thread for a minute here. Looking at the syllabus for the Apostolate, I’m wondering how it could intersect with parish life.
The liturgy that it is promoting is so completely foreign to our parish experience that I’m sure I’m the only one in the parish who can even extrapolate any relevance of the program suggested for the Lay Apostolate.
It seems as if a Lay Apostolate for cantors and musicians would want to take into account the history of our parishes, and the needs of the current liturgy (based as it is on post-Vatican II happenings) that would be seen by the church musican as relevant, necessary and enriching.
I think I understand that this type of approach may be EXACTLY what you’re trying to avoid, but my head is working toward a way to take the concept of apprenticeship, liturgical experience, prayer experience and the fuller tradition of the Catholic church into something that can make an impact on parishes like mine.
My home parish has one Sunday mass, and our music is a mixture of pre-V2, a healthy wallop of 60s Glory & Praise & hymns, a lot of the newer music. (We have not, however, gone to the Karaoke-style Christian music.) We also have HIGH congregational participation in the singing. I have never attended any Catholic liturgy in which there is more singing by the people than the regular Sunday mass at St. Benedict.
And we would like our musicians to be trained in the “Catholic” tradition, which I would hope could open their eyes and give a solid voice to the great body of the chant. But, a life of chant is no longer Catholic. And the notion of a separate strand of Novus Ordo is just not possible in smaller parishes.
I REALLY LIKE the idea of a Lay Apostolate for musicians. For millennia, it seems that music has been the nurturing force of the church, the lifeblood of the religious experience. Today’s music and musicians no longer belong to the mind of the church, but are floating on the edges of what has come before. I would like to facilitate our reengagement with the mind of the church. We need to belong to something nurturing–not get our credibility from a paycheck or a title. So if the Lay Apostolate proposed here could be set up so that it is inviting and relevant to all Catholic parishes, it would be a great thing.
If this is just not what you’re proposing, then pardon my misplaced enthusiasm. Sometimes trying to do too much merely weakens the effort.
If there were two or three people withing a two-hour drive of me who wanted to form the Lay Apostolate above, I’d do whatever it takes to be part. But I’d like to work on the idea of an interface with the parishes.
Ms. Hettinger:
Thank you for your input - you’ve given a lot to think about.
The Graduale Romanum differs from the Triplex in that the former lacks the St. Gall and Laon neums. The Graduale Simplex is an entirely different beast altogether - different antiphons taken from different sources, matched to much simpler chants. (I am not sure if the melodies are taken from the Divine Office or from Milanese sources - possibly both.)
How could such an apostolate intersect with parish life? Off the top of my head, it could help if a working relationship is established with the following parish members/groups:
- pastor
- liturgy committee*
- choir director*
- school music teacher*
- prayer groups*
- Knights of Columbus council**
*if applicable
If someone can come up with a basic plan to put an apostolate such as this on the parish map, that would be wonderful.
As far as immediate liturgical possibilities go, the dialogues between priest and people are usually spoken, and could be a prime starting point for the incorporation of simple chant. Chants could also be sung as preludes or for postcommunion.
That’s all I can come up with for now. Sorry if I didn’t address any of your thoughts. I don’t feel all that coherent today.
Mr Morse:
Certainly, both of Dom Eugene Cardine’s books in English translation, Beginning Studies in Gregorian Chant and Gregorian Semiology, are still available. The Gregorian Institute of America is one possible source:
http://www.giamusic.com/scstore/P-chantbooks.html
Miss Hettinger:
I hope I didn’t imply anything negative about Fr. Columba
You certainly did not. You could read my comment thusly: “Isn’t he well-studied?” The meaning is: “I think he is well-studied; you agree, do you not?”
One important difference between the Graduale Simplex in usum Minorum Ecclesiarum and the Graduale Romanum — besides the melodies, generally from the Liturgia Horarum, and texts — is that, paradoxically, the Graduale Simplex is the Roman book, from the Libreria Editrice Vaticana (editio typica altera, 1989). What this means on the practical plane is that there are no Solesmes markings whatsoever, whether the nineteenth-century rhythmic indication of the ictus or the twentieth-century addition of the ancient neumes.
As Father Skeris has pointed out, the anomaly is that the “official” chant editions, including the current Graduale Romanum, are not Roman at all. Apparently, at this point “the Vatican” is content to allow Solesmes to publish pretty much what they will (and conversely to refuse to do so, in the case of composing new melodies for new texts). In comparison, for example, a Roman Missal edited anywhere but Rome is unthinkable. Despite what some Americans seem to believe.
I have a memory (can’t find my class notes) of being told that the Simplex was an attempt by a group of scholars to take the melismatic chants in the Graduale and convert them into simpler versions of the melodies. I did sit and sing thru it for a while one day, and decided not to buy it. I didn’t like the “melodies.” Unlike what I had expected, I couldn’t see that they had any relationship to the originals, other than maybe the mode. To me they were yet another set of adaptations, and I think that was when I decided that parish singers would be better served just getting a chance to learn the Graduale.
I don’t have one here to look at.
I love “By Flowing Waters.” It was my first glimpse of the concept of the sung mass (as opposed to singing at mass). But ultimately, it’s another version of the same problem. Why bring in a new repertoire when there’s a complete version more desirable? Does it lead us to something? Or does it become a barrier?
Kind of like the question of childrens’s lectionary, or learning many sets of words for psalmody. Or the Grail/NAB translation dilemma.
So, is the Graduale from Solesmes considered “standard.” ? Is the Graduale Romanum more “official”?
As an Anglican, may I suggest St. Dunstan’s Plainsong Psalter? It would be ideal as an additional text, especially for chanting the Divine Office. I believe the press who puts out the book is Western Orthodox, and the book has gained praise from folks on every side of every “river” in the Church.
The book has multiple settings for all the major bits of the Office, along with all the Marian anthems. The wording of each of the Psalms if the wonderful Coverdale Psalter. And, on top of that, there are extensive helps in learning how to chant and how to read square notation.
A link to this wonderful book can be found here:
http://www.andrewespress.com/dunstan.html
Pax et Bonum,
-John
Aspirant to Holy Orders, Episcopal Diocese of Quincy, IL
P.S. I just realised that you already have this book on your blog. Oh well–more advertising! This book should be in a lot more peoples’ hands.
I want the partitur of ordinarium song and sending it to my email
I love the Mass, but why only the Mass? Why let the patrimony of musical settings for the office languish, or at bestt, be relegated to the occasional concert performance of the Vesper settings of Monteverdi or Mozart?
ns
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Gregorian Chant, But Were Afraid to Ask.
So, the other day I was whining about the crappy music in Church that invariably sounds like it was written by some guy in a ponytail with a guitar that never quite let go of the 60s. Amen, Sister. So…
This is a GREAT idea, and my wife and I are thinking of starting something like this in our Parish in Western Massachusetts. I direct the St Gregory Choir in our small “Polish” parish. We are one of two choirs. Ours sings at the 8AM Mass, and we usually sing 16th motets and some chant pieces. We are gradually building our repertoire. My PLAN has been to have a sung Latin Novus Ordo Mass once every 6 weeks or so. This sort of Society or Guild would fit in very well here, if people will join, and we plan to include spiritual formation as well as musical formation.
I would love to be involved in forming a lay apostolate for chant in my ‘hoodie. I’m a novice musician, two years’ music studies on college and as much an earplayer as sightreader, jazz background as a bassist, and rocker at heart (don’t get no rawk in my Mass though, you’ll see a grumpy mule w/ears pinned back). I’d like to suggest that people like me might fit in more than you might think when learning chant. I am not as “married” to notation as a serious classically trained musician, but still I can read, if slowly. I am used to music that swings and breathes like Lance Armstrong after climbing the Alps. I’m used to picking up changes by ear, grabbing onto odd melodies at first blast. Chant was first transmitted, like scripture, aurally, right? And chant, like rock, often has a ’seat of it’s pants’ feel to the melodies. They just don’t do what western ears think they should, don’t go where you think they should.
Anyway, don’t count out guys like me!
I’m a priest in the Diocese of Corpus Christi, and I have been very much concerned about the state of bad church music for some time. I like this idea very much. I’m going to tell a friend of mine, who is a music director in another parish, about this site. I’ll tell a few other priests, as well. I am no musician and have never studied chant, but I am willing to support this idea if it gets implemented.
Jo, can you share with me the name of the Smithtown parish and priest who chanted the Agnus Dei at Mass? (Or any other priests and/or parishes on Long Island where the Mass is chanted by the priest.) Thank you kindly.
This appears to be an ongoing thread, so I will risk adding my support. The idea you propose is something I have long sensed a need for. We have Guilds and apostolates for everything else in the Church, while the so-called ‘treasure’ of the Church’s musical tradition is left to the initiative of volunteers and individuals with specialized training. What you propose would have the important advantage of being a collective and organized effort.
I agree so much with ALL these wonderful “ideas.” However, it has been my experience that most clergy and Liturgy Committees are dead set against any form of sacred classical music and the ensembles that sing such music. The American Catholic Clergy are simply, for the most part, horribly ignorant musically and hate anything that hints of “old” music - especially chant! Oh, how I wish it were otherwise!
Five years later, an excellent model to follow!








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