Dedication of St. John Lateran

Music for 10:00 AM Mass, St. Stephen’s Church, Geneva, N.Y.

Opening: Sing a New Church, vv. 1-3 (Dufner/NETTLETON)
Gloria: St. Louis Jesuits’ Mass (Dufford/Schutte)
Psalm: Respond & Acclaim (Alstott)
Alleluia: St. Louis Jesuits’ Mass (Dufford/Schutte)
Dismissal of catechumens/RCIA candidates: Schutte
Offertory: Jesu, Joy of Man’s Desiring (J.S. Bach/WERDE MUNTER)
Sanctus, Anamnesis C, Amen, Agnus Dei: St. Louis Jesuits’ Mass (Dufford/Schutte)
Communion: On Eagle’s Wings (Joncas)
Closing: City of God, vv. 1, 2 (Schutte)

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You poor guy!!!


You know, so many people say that the purpose of Mass is the Eucharist and not the music. But, what if the priesthood thought of sermons the same way some parishes program music?

“Well, I used this sermon last week, and the people seemed to like it (they nodded their heads during it, and no one complained to me afterwards). And, heck, all the other priests in the diocese are using it. I should give it every week!”


“On Eagle’s Wings”?? I don’t know whether to hug you or hold my ears…


AAE, I have no idea how you can tolerate this, I really do not. I drive 10 miles to avoid this going to a traditional leaning Dominican ran parish in the downtown area, I commend you for having such a strong stomach.


Sing a New Church? Tune is great, theology is SCARY…


Dedication of St. John Lateran Basilica in Rome
November 9, 2003, 11:00 Latin Mass (Novus Ordo)
Blessed Sacrament Church, Dallas

Prelude: “Iter caelestis Jerusalem, Christo Domino praeviante … ”
Towards heavenly Jerusalem, in the steps of the Lord! Dom Paul Benoit, OSB
Introit: V Deus in loco sancto suo*
Censing: Little Organ Pieces, 5ti Toni, Michael Haydn
Kyrie, Gloria: Missa Primitiva (congregation, Adoremus 205-206)

Gradual: VII Laetatus sum in his quae dicta sunt mihi*
Alleluia: VI (Easter) Bene fundata est domus Domini supra firmam petram.*
Credo: Missa Primitiva (207)

Offertory: VII Domine Deus, in simplicitate cordis mei laetus obtuli universa*
Hymn: [VIII] Ad cenam Agni providi (Liber_Hymnarius pp. 74-75)
Pater noster
Sanctus, Agnus Dei: Missa Primitiva (208-209)
Communion: V Ierusalem, quae aedificatur ut civitas*
Hymn: VI Ubi caritas (390)
Organ: Ubi caritas [1998], Charles Callahan

After Mass: Alma Redemptoris Mater (537, congregation)
Postlude: Introitus, Liszt

* Schola director absent this Sunday; propers chanted to psalm tones a la Rossini.

Daniel Muller, organist


Hard to fathom “Sing a NEW Church” on the date to celebrate a very old church building. But then again the text dismisses the past. At our parish 100th anniversary celebration it was used for the opening Mass, despite my protests. Ugh. At the parish this past Sunday it was the endless mindless “All Are Welcome” from the Haugen Unitarian publishing machine. Ugh Ugh.


Haugen is NOT Unitarian. He is United Church of Christ. Hate his music, fine. But your (intentional? unintentional?) erroneous stab gives your opinion little credibility. Good job.


The United Church of Christ church that I grew up in was at one time affliated with both the Unitarian and Congregational churches. The preaching was very Unitarian.

Your “good job” remark was unnecessarily ugly.


Sing a New Church is quite overused in my parish because we are moving into our new church building this weekend. The hymn’s tune actually has some older words set to it. My son actually found that in a GIA hymnal when we were waiting for an organ concert to begin at St. Ignatius in Manhattan this weekend. I’ve done my rant often enough on how only Christ can create a church, so he was anxious to show me how he could still play the tune at home and not get on my nerves!


While I cannot speak for your personal experience, the United Church of Christ differs from the Unitarian Church in many major significant matters, most importantly that of the primacy of Christ. Vatican II’s directives would accept a baptism from United Church of Christ, and Congregational. But Unitarian’s baptism is invalid, since it does not accept the Trinity.

That a United Church of Christ had ecumenical gatherings with other liberal denominations in your surrounding area is incidental, indeed I know of a wonderful Catholic parish that participated in such activities in a town nearby me, along with the major Protestant mainline denominations in the area. The preaching styles may be similar in your experience, but the beliefs behind them are vastly different.

I take these differences with the utmost of seriousness, and mixing up your facts can cause rumors that lead to slander of the most serious heretical nature…

Haugen doesn’t need false or incorrect claims that prove his theology on shaky ground–it’s bad enough that he wrote “Gather Us In”.

Nick


Not to belabor the point but I think RP Burke was pointing to the theology that Mr. Haugen employs is Unitarian rather than saying that the United Church of Christ is Unitarian.

I still think your “good job” was less than polite.


To me, if Haugen says he is a United Church of Christ, then we must take him at face value. He could be a poorly catechized member of the Church of Christ, but to go beyond that and label him a denomination he does not participate in is libelous. There’s no indication anywhere that he partakes in Unitarian theology.

As for my style of writing, sometimes it stings… so does slander.

Nick


“Sometimes it stinks?”

How saying someones theology is redolent of some sect or other whether he professes it or not is “libelous” or “slander” escapes.
How incorrectly identifying someones sect is slander or libel escapes me.

Unless you think “Unitarian” is some kind of insult?

Manny

(On the other hand, Nick, the fact that you know Haugen’s having written “Gather Us In” is bad, scores you points.)


First off, “STINGS”.

(Tho it “stinks” sometimes too, just I don’t know if it fits here).

Secondly, “Unitarian” is an insult. It crosses that invisible line from Protestant orthodox to heresy.

I have zero tolerance for that. A badly written hymn should be cause of complaint on its own terms… anything further than that creates points against the complainer himself. Nobody on this board wants that, as there are legitimate complaints here.

Nick


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