Carey Landry, bowdlerized
Details available at El Camino Real. The song in question is “Hail Mary, Gentle Woman”.
Well, I thought it was funny….
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Dear Rev. Landry,
Back in 1976 or so you had an album with the picture of the hand of Christ holding a child in Palm. One of the most beautiful songs on that album was Hail Mary, Gentle Woman (we sang it in Mass tonight). There were many many other songs on the album which I loved but I don’t remember their names or the name of the album. Can you help get this album again.
Sincerely,
Peggy Jones
P.S. one of the songs was “I Will Never Forget You”
“Rev.” Landry is no longer a priest, (amazing how many people who wrote the sort of thing he did couldn’t manage to live up to their vows, I wonder if there is a connection?) and I think it is pretty safe to say he doesn’t read this blog.
I think OCP publishes Mr. Landry now, (I may be remembering wrong, but I think his current wife is his writing and workshop-giving partner,) so if you went to the OCP site you might find information on the album you seek.
Good luck and peace!
“I think the comment about living up to vows is inappropriate.”
I don’t.
There seem to be connections between the addictive personality and certain types of fiction, between schizophrenia and certain types of painting; the madness of poets is a cliche, the arrogance of musicians of certain schools likewise.
And different periods in artists’ emotional lives have often produced distinctively different periods in theirartistic output, no?
I too have wondered if there is a connection between the self-celebrating spirituality of some of this music and the spirituality of it creators. Both strike me as immature.
That doesn’t make them bad people.
How many “St Louis Jesuits” were there, and how many stayed in, I wonder?
(For that matter, was Landry one of them? I don’t know much about him.)
“Many fine composers through the centuries have been unable to live up to marital fidelity, chastity, or celibate commitments.”
True enough.
I think Wagner’s tendency to excess found its expression in both his life and his music.
Never thought I’d find myself comparing Wagner to Cary Landry, but the internet is a strange place.
I was shocked back in the 80′s to hear of Landry’s departure from the priesthood. However, I no longer think what he did was wrong. Soon after that, my wife left me for her brother! What did Mother Church do? She said via her hypocrital priests, give us a couple of hundred dollars and we’ll pronounce your marriage anulled! The priest who was the most vocal has just been charged by police with interferring with boys, and the crimes happened about the time he was telling me that I had to seek anullment. The Catholic Church is a fraud. Carey Landry is well away from the Mother of Harlot’s, because that is the only reference to the Mother analogy Jesus uses to describe the seducer of souls. Landry’s music is fantastic, and I will always remember him for that. Get off his case all you pharisees.
Have a nice day!
Your taste in music is duly noted.
(singing lustily, “And we’ll know you are Christian, by your love, by your love!”)
(And you’ll know I’m a pagan by my sarcasm.)
Where can i find the song by Carey Landry
BRING ME A ROSE
Well, it goes against the grain (it goes against REASON!) to actually HELP anyone acquire and possibly (shudder!) perform an itme form the Cary Landry oeuvre, but it can be found in the collection “BY NAME I HAVE CALLED YOU.”
All I know about (Father) Cary Landry, is the few times I was near him and celebrated with him he was 100% devoted. Not to mention how many people developed a deeper faith and understanding from his wonderful music.
I personal had a few career trys before find my current 27 yr old one and 36 years of marriage.
I would like to know how many of those which are critical of Carey Landry have lived up to 100% of, 100% of their commitments.
Glenn
“I would like to know how many of those which are critical of Carey Landry have lived up to 100% of, 100% of their commitments”
I would think MOST people had never broken a solem vow, whether made to a human spouse or to the Church.
“All I know about (Father) Cary Landry, is the few times I was near him and celebrated with him he was 100% devoted. ”
I am glad to hear it. So (formerly Father) Cary Landry was 100% “devoted” until he decided NOT to be “devoted.”
That’s practically a definition of the current trend of “serial monogamy,” — I promise to be true to you, for richer or poorer, in good time and bad, through sickness and health, until I decide NOT to be true to you.
“Not to mention how many people developed a deeper faith and understanding from his wonderful music.”
Not to mention how many people developed deeper ego-centricity and were confirmed in their immature faiths by his puerile, self-centered music.
Whacking C. Landry for leaving the priesthood is irrelevant to the quality (or, more precisely, the lack of quality) to his music.
My wife and I enjoyed meeting Fr. Cary in our song writing days in the 70′s. He did a charismatic conference in St Leo Florida. He and his assistant Carol Kinghorn signed Our song Book called: Songs of the Pligram People over 29 yrs ago. The book was well written. Most of the songs have a good upbeat rythum copywrited in 1975 by St. Leo Abby in St. Leo Fla. Its a treasure waiting to be discovered. There was a limited number published and 300 are still in a box somewhere in the print shop. No one knew how to sell music back then we were all high on the chraismatic movement and the spirit was a-movin.
I feel that Fr. Cary had a double calling and maybe someday yet consider the eastern rite Catholic church which allows their Priests to Marry. He will be a priest forever in the order of Malcesadek. I feel that the eastern church could use a good Guitar Mass.
Mr. Nixon, regarding your closing statement, that is a joke, right?
I have very fond memories of Carey Landry. As a kid in grade school at St. Genevieve in Lafayette, Louisiana, he used to take our class out in the grass and worship the Lord with his magnificent music. I still get misty eyed thinking of those happy days, blessing the Lord, singing along with Carey Landry. You couldn’t help but to want to sing, shout and act out every song.
To imply that Carey Landry is not doing God’s work is ridiculous. So he is not a priest. I am not either, but we are both trying to serve God in the best way we know how.
Do not judge so that you will not be judged by the same yardstick.
Carey’s music has brought many people back to God. I have personal knowledge of a number of conversions including mine.
I have his 2 albums on tape: 1. Abba Father and 2. I Will Never Forget You.
God bless you, Carey!
I for one can’t write a hymn text or tune to save my life. Therefore I never would attempt to compete with Nikolai or Handel or Wesley. Landry (if he had even heard of these guys) decided that he can do better, and yet the only thing he knows about theory is I-VI-IV-V.
It’s not that I am judging him, but his music. Worship requires the best we have, Landry is the worst that no one wants. His music may bring people back to God and I can respect it if you enjoy his music. I enjoy Van Halen. But let’s not confuse this stuff with worship.
I always say if we can have Haas and Haugen in Mass, why not Ozzy?
I was told that Carey became an Episcopal priest when he married Carol Jean. Does anyone know for sure?
We do have married priests in the Catholic Church. Just a few years ago a priest was appointed pastor of a parish in Londonderry, NH and the parishioners love him, his wife and their children.
It breaks my heart to hear people claiming to follow the Word of God be so crticial.
I spent much of my childhood to the Hi God albums and remember the deep joy and amazement all the singers had toward God.
It grieves me to know people are so filled with mistrust that they dig for harshness in a person filled with the love of God. I pray that you will begin to see the love of God that is present in every word and action of Jesus.
Peace
AMN, why should a person following the Word of God not be critical?
Does the Word ask us to suspend our critical faculties, or to accept everything unquestioningly?
I think not.
I am glad Hi God met your needs and gave you spiritual nourishment, if indeed it did.
I see it as emblematic of a liturgical culture that has led to sloppy faith, lack of belief in fundamental doctrines and a casual, entertainment-seeking mode of worship that is ruining the Church.
By their fruits — do you know that after steady decline, this year American Catholic church attendance has at last sunk below that of American Protestant church attendance?
Todd,
Strawman, strawman (gotta catch on this one). Nobody’s claiming that Carey Landry somehow “caused” falling mass attendance – Geri said that his music was “emblematic” of a kind of wishy-washy feel-good sentimental religiosity that was prevalent in the 70s and is still very much with us.
If Carey Landry works for you, that’s great. But as other people have said (and it can’t be said enough) this does not mean that it’s appropriate for Catholic liturgy. I love the modern composer Arvo Part’s 70 minute Passion of St. John, and I wouldn’t be surprised if people have been converted by it, but I would not inflict it on anyone in a church service. All I ask is that I not be inflicted with Haguen, Haas and Carey quite so much, to put it mildly.
“The hidebound European old-church fogeys are just doing a bang-up job with their great architectural and musical patrimony.”
Would that the Europeans were utilizing their musical patrimony. With some exception, the Europeans do a lot of the same drivel that we use here in the United States. The difference is when they do perform their traditional repertoire, they do so unabashedly.
“Carey Landry at fault for declining church attendance? That’s a howler.”
Yes, it would be a howler, if anyone besides you had said it, Todd.
I notice that that is a frequent tactic of yours on blogs, to distort that which someone with whom you disagree has said, and then refute this argument of your own invention.
I said his puerile music was emblematic of the culture that is decimating the Catholic Church.
Distinguish between cause and effect.
“I remember witnessing a reading session of his at an NPM convention in 1988, and I felt badly that a ballroom just about emptied when he took over from a group of OCP presenters.”
Well, that’s unfortunate. I hope it wasn’t done rudely.
The fact is, though, that ones time and resources are limited, and one has to choose how to spend them.
It is not unfair to make a judgement call that perusing the second volume of something whose first was useless is not worth the effort.
“I haven’t seen hardly anyone wearing those emblems in twenty years.”
Then you don’t get around much.
” I don’t have a real clue as to why Carey Landry has inspired more faith than Arvo Part”
The same reason white sheep produce more wool than black ones? That would be my guess.
I suspect he has also caused more people to duck out of Mass early than has Part, for the same reason.
You’ve got to admit, one doesn’t come across many aging baby-boomer, musically illiterate, liturgically immature church ladies (a type to be found in both sexes,) trying to foist yet another hearing of Fratres on the parish. The same cannot be siad of Landry’s devotees.
I think the real problem is mediocrity–homiletical, liturgical and musical. The “let’s do the least to get by” approach that typlifies so much of parish life. Soiled vestments in glow-in-the-dark colors, stale altar bread and sermons lifted from the latest TV show all point to a don’t-care attitude.
It’s as though we’re going through the motions rather than bringing souls to Christ.
“you describe a state of affairs more in line with the pre-Vatican II Church”
Sure, my parents often wax nostalgic about those pre-conciliar glow-in-the-dark vestments and Dr. Phil sermons.
Everything was worse before 1962, everything in the church today even if not much good is an improvement and all’s for the best in thei best of all possible worlds.
Don’t mind me, I’m grumpy, I had to listen to Abba, Father this morning.
Nice articl about Landry in the OCP newsletter.
“music, I think one can find things of more gravity to blame declining church attendance on”
One last thought.
Music is formative.
The Mass, the liturgy is the source and summit of our faith.
Music, when approached properly IS the liturgy.
I would not be a musician if I didn’t believe in the formative power of music, and I would not be a pastoral musician if I didn’t believe in the formative power of liturgical music.
And that with the power to form has also the power to DEFORM.
I am not talking about any one piece of music, or any particular style or any individual, but I believe that it is our FAITH that is formed or deformed, not our taste.
I guess Ijust think music is more important than you do.
“So if you think [music] beats the consecration, then yes, you think it’s more important than I do.”
I said no such thing, as well you know.
When Mass is executed in its highest, its most exalted, its most complete, its most nearly perfect form, the consecration is sung, of course, it IS music.
Does anyone here have the album hi God? i do and its amazing. i’m 20 years old and found the record in a thrift store, i was wandering if anyone would be willing to sell me their other landry albums..for reasonable prices..also does anyone have any music books of his that they are willing to part with, email me if you do, thanks.
Dan
Dan, try abebooks.com or eBay, i have had very good luck with both for out of print music books and recordings.
Hello Dan,
I just purchased the “Hi God” albums from CatholicShopper.com. I, like Leon above, grew up in Lafayette, LA and was exposed to Carey Landry’s music as a kid while attending catholic school and LOVED it! I purchased the albums for myself and as a gift for an ole school chum of mine who is also fond of the music. Some people seem to be so critical of his music. but it has had a profound effect on me and so many people that I personally know. As kids, it gave us a great way to worship and grow closer to God. As an adult, I STILL fondly remember this music and am thankful that I was exposed to it as a child. I really don’t see what his personal life has to do with the benefit this music has brought to myself and others. He is a musician and a human being.
I am trying to find, Pardon Your People, by Carey Landry… Can anyone help? Thanks, Donna
I’m trying to find where I can get a CD with Carey’s music “The Father Will Dance” We are about to celebrate our 50th Wedding Anniversary and wanted so much to be able to play the Song. Can’t remember which cassette it was on and don’t know if it is available on a CD.. if anyone knows please let us know.
PLEASE PEOPLE!!!
This is not a place to find Carey Landry CDs. Please stop harrassing us with your requests!!
Unless “Gavin” is a pseudonym for our host, the Recovering Choir Director, I don’t think you are in a position to make that request however inimicable to your taste, (should I say “to good taste”?) Mr Landry’s little ditties might be.
Why not help people asking for help?
People whose faith overflows into their emotions, singing their hearts out is a beautiful sound, the only one really worthy of the Catholic Mass. I’d like to hear an entire congregation giving their all on a Palestrina Mass setting, a Handel chorus or even Gregorian Chant, but it doesn’t seem to work. For many people, the simple, yet beautiful tunes of Carey Landry and others were and are a vehicle for singing their faith. Most of the lyrics are settings of scripture, so I don’t see how one can call them self centered. In my parish I try to include many different types of music, (from Chant to Carey) to speak to many tastes and experiences. I try to do them all well.
“People whose faith overflows into their emotions, singing their hearts out is a beautiful sound”
Can be, but not always (“Deutchland uber alles!” expressed faith in something, don’t you think? and don’t tell me you don’t remember screeching “Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg….” with youthful fervor.)
And lets face it, some music just isn’t beautiful. That is not to say the people, the emotions, the faith isn’t beautiful, but that the music itself is inferior and not worthy of the temple, just as some painting, some literature just isn’t very good.
And asking people who know the difference between good and bad to make an offering of the bad to God is a surefire way to drive them out of the church if not out of the Church. I can’t sing crap at Mass, it makes me ashamed. And I cannot stay somewhere where quality is not valued, a steady diet of bad music (whether old or new, and there’s an indult Mass near me that is EXCRUCIATING sometimes,) would send me seeking another place to participate in Mass, just as hideously painted walls would.
I was talking about the Hail Mary and quotations from scripture, not “Deutchland uber Alles”.
When played and sung competently in the style in which it was intended, some simple, folky, or pop influenced music is beautiful to many ears. It’s just a matter of taste.
It’s also a matter of what it was intended for. Some film music is brilliant, but it doesn’t stand up as concert music, while some great concert music would detract from a film rather than enhance it. Music that can only be listened to has it’s place in liturgy, but so does music that can be sung and prayed by ordinary people.
Participation by the whole congregationis goal of Vatican II. Some people may dissent from that, but as a professional musician in the employ of the Catholic Church one has to take that seriously.
Remember Christ said “That he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Yes, Connie, but He didn’t say “any old thing is good enough for worshipping my Father,” nor “there’s no such thing as sin, all behavior is acceptable and is not open to discussion, admonishment or criticism.”
> Participation by the whole congregation is goal of Vatican II.
Isn’t the Latin “participatio actuosa”, which is better translated as “actual” (rather than “active”) participation? Charitably, this would ensure that a mute person, for example, who remains quiet but feels a sympathetic surge of his heart at the chanted “Our Father” is participating every bit as actually as the loudest, most enthusiastic singer. “Actual” is also beautifully sensitive to what actually happens at Mass: the participation of the finite world in the truly infinite, all-at-once, and so wholly “actual” world of Heaven.
Making Mass a mandatory sing-a-long was not a “goal of Vatican II.”
>Making Mass a mandatory sing-a-long was
>not a “goal of Vatican II.”
Nicley put!
Folks, stop debating this. Please.
Debates like this force two sides where there is a complementary middle. It seems like you are pitting active vocal participation (without the active engagement of the mind and heart) vs active interior participation (without active engagement with those vocal chords). Why else do you use imflammatory language such as “Mandatory sing-a-long”?
Folks. Be reasonable. FULL Active Participation is what Vatican II calls for. Engagement of the vocal chords, AND heart AND mind.
It ain’t rocket science.
Nick
“FULL Active Participation is what Vatican II calls for. Engagement of the vocal chords, AND heart AND mind.”
We can and will debate what this means despite your assertions. “Musicam sacram” had something different in mind that what is typically practiced in most American parishes. The vast majority employ insipid settings of the mass (Haugen, St. Louis Jesuits, etc.) and icky songs from OCP’s Music Issue. To attend a Mass where a fine choir sings polyphony at appropriate moments in addition to congregational song is increasingly rare. In the past, the choir sang everything. Today, the congregation sings everything. There is something in between. And, for liturgies without a choir, the organ (when employed) could provide a solo rather than having a hymn sung by everyone (e.g., during the Offertory). The choir and organ could thus provide meditative moments rather than the standard four-hymn syndrome that appears to be normative.
Nick, I thought my post *was* in the service of saying there is a complementary and charitable middle. I’d like you to read “mandatory sing-a-long” as coming from exasperation, not any desire to inflame. Too many Masses I have attended are organized and conducted in a manner that, like some people I know, seem uncomfortable and nervous with simple quiet. The collective deep silences of Mass are vivid and fully active, and I love them. That’s where my post is coming from, at least.
Thanks, Anthony for your note. I know the feeling of exasperation that can sometimes mar a post when taken out of context.
As for Mark, question: I am as critical of OCP as you are… but this past year, at long last, OCP has incorporated chant and polyphony into its missallettes. I’m not asking you to sing OCP’s praises, but what the heck else do you want them to do?!?
Don’t be like the vegetarian protesting a burger chain to the extent that when the burger chain offered a perfectly acceptable vegetarian substitute, they went completely ignored. Once the chain realized that no matter what they did, they will always get protested, they wrote the poor guy off, and the progress made was thown aside.
OCP is not perfect, but being the biggest means that all styles are accounted for, so the responsibility rests solely on the shoulders of the music minister & priest. And as much as a lot of bad music has been abused in many church circles, good music have also been abused, if done poorly or if sung at inappropriate times, or sung to death.
Personally, I find the organ, if done poorly, can be suffocating my worship. And if a Latin polyphony is sung, I’m more apt to sit there, numb, not able to enter in, no matter how “beautiful” it is, because all I get out of it is that it’s in Latin and this-is-how-they-used-to-do-it. I’d rather take the translation of the Latin, find an appropriate song that quotes the sentiment accurately and reverently, and direct it towards our Eucharistic Lord.
Nobody shares these things on this board. Am I alone in these thoughts?
Nick
I have no problem with the occasional Latin polyphony or chant (in fact, at least the congregation can join in the chant, but I digress). None whatsoever. Text and accurate translation should of course always be provided in a program or insert, so that people can pray interiorly with the singing; to fail to do that is a fundamental violation of hospitality and is beyond excuse. And having the people be familiar with the collection of chants in the Jubilate Deo booklet is admirable; I have seen 800+ congregations — liberal ones at that — thunder at the Missa de Angelis Gloria, et cet.; it is however easier to grow the familiarity by successive rotation rather than trying to do everything at once.
Latin is not oppressive, and for the most part in my experience from the past 25 years as a liturgical musican is an ever-decreasing segment of the assembly feels oppressed by it.
But anthems should be used with care. First, they must not divert energy from the choir’s main duties of singing the psalter and leading the ordinary; when the anthem or hymn begins to take disproportionate energy and focus, then its presence needs to be trimmed back, as it were. Hymns and anthems are the lowest order of liturgical music.
Who said polyphony had to be in Latin? And why do anthems have to be used with care? Could it be that there could be too much congregational singing? Four hymns, ordinary, psalm, alleluia, acclamations. Maybe it’s too much and therein lies the danger rather than the wicked choir and its anthems.
Re: Mark’s ? about too much congregational singing:
Mark, have you ever visited an interdenominational church? At most of these places of worship, they have 45 min to an hour of continuous worship. The four hymns, psalm, and mass parts are a drop in the bucket comparatively speaking.
“have you ever visited an interdenominational church?”
Yes. It’s one of the reasons why I’m a Roman Catholic. That you hold this up as some sort of model speaks volumes.
Mark P.
My main concern about anthems is not so much the seeming displacement of congregational singing but what I outlined above: the possibility of diversion of a ministry’s main energy. I have seen this many times, even to the point of sundering the ministry; the number of places where I have seen ministries able to employ anthems without that problem have been comparatively small. I was not stating a rigid rule, merely the exercise of caution and prudence. Most communities do not have choirs that can sustain that level of diverted energy without counterproductive effects.
“the possibility of diversion of a ministry’s main energy.”
I think the praise of Almighty God should be the music ministry’s main focus.
“Most communities do not have choirs that can sustain that level of diverted energy without counterproductive effects.”
Which is obviously something other than choral solos. Once we eliminate these the New Jerusalem will be ushered in and everything will be great.
Dude,
I am a Catholic because I believe in every single tenet of the Catholic Church, including the very fact that Jesus Christ is truly present, Body, Blood, Soul & Divinity in the Eucharist–which is a truly amazing mystery that the interdenominational churches cannot reach. So let’s get this whole “model” thing out the door. But I do admire the zeal that most interdenominational worshippers have, and I know that that zeal crosses denominational lines. That same zeal, if transplanted in the Catholic Church, will have a significant impact on our culture. For there, as you say, the praise of Almighty God will be our focus.
Peace,
Nick
Well, *if* your choir devotes disproportionate attention to preparing the lovely anthem in such a way that it is not able to lead and pray the psalm and the ordinary well, it is not praising Almighty God in a way consistent with the principles of Catholic liturgy. (If this is not a problem for your choir, fine and dandy with me.) It would, however, be very Protestant, I imagine… Rectifying this will not usher in the New Jerusalem, but it will help move one’s ministry closer to a Catholic vision of the liturgy.
I don’t understand where the praise music comes to be so important. Especially when so much of the music has questionable sensibilities or lyrics. Why have we thrown out so much that might be more clearly counted as request/prayer? (I know that praise is also counted as a kind of prayer). The “praise” is too often about us, how we feel, what we will do, and not at all a request to live and and with God and His will for us and the world.
I would like to reach Mr. & Mrs Carey Landry. May I have the email address and full mailing address with telephone number?
Thank you,
Speaking as someone who appreciates the spectrum of music from Landry to Part and who participates in the Mass to worship and not to be entertained, I prefer inspirational scripture based music that can be sung by non-professionals. I can go to the concert hall when I just want to listen.
One friend of mine as a joke translated the “Gentle Woman” part of this song which I personally dub “Instant Sominex” into Latin. I, in turn, finishing the joke, had converted Landry’s melody to chant (with a few extra neums added on).
I lost the hard copy and the soft copy in a house fire in November 2003. *sigh* I would have sent it to you. The end result was pretty cool.
BMP
Good heavens, what a great deal of judgmental nonsense! The choice to leave the priesthood and marry is not a matter of “living up” to vows, and certainly none of us has any idea what inspires or directs personal decisions, especially if those decisions involve love. How sinful and unChristian to even comment on such a thing. I was blessed to study with Carey Landry and there is no question in my mind that his music was inspired, and continues to be inspired, by a deep faith and beautiful nature. May those of you with such hateful hearts find forgiveness and peace. Carey has.
“what a great deal of judgmental nonsense! The choice to leave the priesthood and marry is not a matter of “living up” to vows, and certainly none of us has any idea what inspires or directs personal decisions,”
Thank you! That’s how I and my current wife feel. People can be so judgemental.
Love and commitment have a finite shelf-life, everyone knows that.
As if vows were supposed to mean something!
Carey and Carol Jean are coordinators of liturgical music at Immaculate Heart of Mary Catholic Church in Indianapolis, where Carey directs the choir. This grounding in parish ministry enables them to bring to their workshops a deep sense of what is needed at the parish and school levels.
Interesting conversation. I personally find Landry’s music and lyrics thoughtful and scriptually based. you may disagree with my taste but it is a fact that contemplating these sacred songs has offered me a way into prayer, which I suppose it was intended to do.
I also enjoy Handel, Faure and Bach, and plainchant which also lead me to contemplation and prayer.
There are lots of different people out here, with lots of different tastes and needs, which willvary from time to time.
For those of you familiar with G. Manley -Hopkins,(also SJ) you could do worse than to have a look at ‘Pied Beauty’. Peace be with you all.
i am stella from uganda and very proud to say that Fr Carey’s music strngthens me spiritually and so far it has carried me.
I begun listening to it while i was about 10 years and have since then made it part of me and have no regrets at all.Yeah! God uses ordinary and simple souls to do mighty works!
God bless you all!!!!!!
Whether music is inspirational and whether it is suitable for mass are two different questions, John and Stella.