My old Kentucky (parish) home
These three pieces by “Michael from Paducah” can be lumped together as a trilogy. Based on how the latest installment ended, perhaps the hopefully forthcoming Episode 4 can be titled “A New Hope”.
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Peace, all.
Michael’s third installment struck me. Especially his relating that “we were vastly outnumbered… and largely ignored.”
Liturgical traditionalists have become largely isolated from their fellow parishioners. This is not universal, but I’ve seen it in more cases than not. I find it discouraging, but not for the reasons Michael suggested.
Traditionalists, and those who lean that way tend to be very engaged by the liturgy and its issues. Is there a way more parishes — even progressive ones — can engage well-meaning people and utilize their viewpoints to make liturgy better — and I mean the Roman Missal currently in use. Do traditionalists have anything to offer their parishes outside of the rubrics? By this I mean an attitude to bring to Mass, a commitment to prayer and worship, willingness to take leadership on their own initiative based on parish need. Does everything have to spring from a tight interpretation of IGRM, SC, or the latest guru (and I would challenge my progressive friends on their gurus of choice, lest you think I’m zeroing in unfairly on one side). Does everything hinge on an absolutely faithful rendering according to (pick your favorite source) or is there enough work to be done to get people moving in a good (if not the right) direction?
I’m serious about these questions. My parish has many traditionalist-leaning Catholics and I would like to engage them to make the liturgy better. I don’t want to wait for the ideal pastor who can bring all things into unity. Hoping a new pastor (or new pope, or new document, etc.) is going to make it all okay seems to be a childish longing. What if those of us who want to get the work done now want to be more inclusive? What do you think?
Lest there be any confusion regarding the “traditionalist” label, let me clarify, as best described in this Fr. Neuhaus quote:
“These people, be it noted, are not ‘traditionalists’ or fans of the Tridentine Rite. They are simply looking for the Mass to be celebrated in a way consonant with what the Church teaches and not disdainful of the liturgical and musical treasures of the Catholic tradition. That doesnt seem like too much to expect, and, for all the banality of the English texts, it can be done eminently well with the Order of Mass in common use.”
Also, it’s not like we’re asking a priest to juggle bowling pins and spin saucers while standing on one foot and quoting Shakespearean sonnets. Saying Mass in accordance with Church law (they’re not suggestions or guidelines - the rubrics for Mass have the force of law) isn’t that hard!
The General Instruction is not hard to understand. It doesn’t require a degree in Canon Law or some certificate from CTU or Notre Dame to interpret. In fact, it would appear that degrees from these places actually hinder one’s ability to simply read and follow instructions.
In Mr. Luse’s excellent essay (http://www.williamluse.blogspot.com/2003_05_01_williamluse_archive.html#94624255) which you should read right now, he makes an important statement on the seriousness of what some people dismiss as not important: “Newman said that those who truly love their religion revere its forms, because those forms, those disciplines, depend at some point from a doctrine, and the doctrine from a Person. And so I see an attack on one as an attack on the other, an assault on either as one against the person of Christ Himself.“
Peace, Mike.
Neuhaus’ quote: “They are simply looking for the Mass to be celebrated in a way consonant with what the Church teaches and not disdainful of the liturgical and musical treasures of the Catholic tradition.” looks fine with me to a point. I don’t think it goes far enough. It doesn’t address the failing which has been endemic to Catholic liturgy in the US from the beginning: a lack of quality. The suggestion that parishes were mostly okay with liturgy in the 1950’s and that everything has unravelled from there is naive and generally untrue. The truth is that Americans have always had an uneasy relationship with European artistic traditions, for many, many reasons. Mostly all non-theological ones.
The openness to tradition is fine as far as it goes, but every individual Catholic has a slightly different take on that. Two examples:
1. The original essayist veered into the altar girl issue. And I don’t see its relevance to the bigger picture. A person questioning the place of girls serving with boys is probably far off the mainstream thinking of most American Catholics. They see no connection with vocations. They see it as an issue of “fairness,” an American sensibility if there ever was one.
2. The whole tabernacle placement issue. In Europe it is mostly easy. Tabernacles didn’t begin on altars way back when. They appeared in the US in small churches and chapels and were just copied onto the large scale models when cathedrals and big churches were later built. The tabernacle on high altar is an American (or Mission) phenomenon more than it is a Roman one. Whose tradition do we uphold?
Mike, you are right that the IGRM is not hard to understand. But since aspects of the 1969 and 1975 editions have yet to be implemented, one can assume possibilities other than willful disobedience, namely it is hard to implement, or that people are ignorant of the details of implementation. And as we see with clergy across the board, they are used to the way Mass was celebrated
when they were ordained, be it in 1947, 1967, or last year. We’re talking more habit than intellect.
And finally, I think Luse overstates his point in your quote, but I will check his essay at a later time. First, one must assume that disobedience is an “attack,” and I think this is extremely presumptuous. Second, the gospels equate the Person of Christ more with people than with acts of worship and/or following rules. Again here, when people “ignore” a vocal minority, or behave otherwise uncharitably or rudely, they are behaving this way toward Christ. And as much as I value good liturgy, I have to say that Christ was far more explicit about doing unto others, about doing to Him as we have done to others (Matthew 25) than he was about violating laws of worship. Liturgical law and rubrics are made not for the glory of God, but for the needs of the Christian community at prayer. Laws and rubrics can be changed. And when they become outdated, they should be.
One thing I think we can all agree on is that there remains much room for improvement in Catholic liturgy. My question is how to get everybody moving in the same direction, assuming ideology can be overcome.
I don’t recall suggesting anywhere that “parishes were mostly okay with liturgy in the 1950’s “. In fact, I never brought up the Tridentine Mass or criticized the liturgical reforms as were called for in Vatican II.
If someone tells me that I am “off the mainstream thinking of most American Catholics”, I would take that as a compliment. Thank you.
To correct the History of Church Architecture According To Vosko: This is from the Catholic Encyclopedia (1914):
In a drawing of the thirteenth-century altar of the Cathedral of Arras an arrangement is seen which is evidently a reminiscence of the suspended dove in those countries where the ciborium had disappeared: the Eucharistic tower is suspended above the altar from a staff in the form of a crosier. The more ordinary receptacle for this purpose, up to the seventeenth century, was the armarium near, or an octagon-shaped tower placed on the Gospel side of, the altar. Tabernacles of the latter kind were generally of stone or wood; those of the dove class of some precious metal. Our present form of tabernacle dates from the end of the sixteenth century.
From Placing of the Tabernacle by Fr. George Saunders:
The Fourth Lateran Council (1215) decreed that the Blessed Sacrament be kept in a secure receptacle and placed in a clean, conspicuous place. The Synods of Cologne (1281) and Munster (1279) stipulated that the Blessed Sacrament be kept above the altar, sometimes in tabernacles shaped like doves and suspended by chains. (An example of this type of tabernacle is on exhibit in the medieval collection of the National Gallery of Art.)
Overall, during these times, the Blessed Sacrament was reserved in four possible ways: in a locked cabinet in the sacristy, a custom originating in the early Church; in a cabinet in the wall of the choir area, or in a cabinet called the “Sacrament House,” which was constructed like a tower and attached to a wall near the altar; in a “dove” receptacle suspended from the baldachino above the altar; and in a tabernacle on the altar itself or in the reredos of the altar.
Note the dates. Now, according to the Philadelphia department of tourism, the oldest Catholic Church in the US is Old St. Joseph’s, built in 1733.
As far as clergy being used to “the way Mass was celebrated”. The ones around here who are the biggest offenders were ordained in the seventies or later. It’s not that the rubrics are so hard to follow, it’s that they were never taught them in the first place… that is, those that aren’t practicing “willful disobedience”. The poor pastor at my previous parish thought the book of the Gospels contained all the rubrics for the Gospel reading.
“Laws and rubrics can be changed. And when they become outdated, they should be.” The problem is the wrong people are changing them without the authority to do so. Laws or rubrics I referred to in the past or present are not outdated or changed. They are in effect now. They are ignored or dismissed as not important or worthy of observance.
All I originally wanted to do in Aristotle’s comments was to answer the “traditionalist” label that was inferred upon me. Although this is tempting and ripe for the fisking, I have neither the time nor the motivation to correct or argue with whatever appears as a response to either my posts here or on my site. I’ve got enough Catholics here in my own diocese to argue with. So, go ahead. Let me have it. Whoever reads it can form their own opinion without me having to reply to everything.
Well, here it goes.
Mike, I would not characterize you as a traditionalist. Mindful of tradition, yes, but on the conservative side of the spectrum (rather than the traditionalist end) of liturgical expectations and preference.
That being said, I will offer a bit of unsoliticed advice. While, as Todd rightly notes, it can be good to be passionate about liturgy, an excess of such a good can become an undesirable burden. I speak from experience in this regard.
It may seem impossible, but it is actually quite possible to maintain a healthy level of passion about matters liturgical while also maintaining a healthy degree of detachment over what does or does not transpire at a given liturgy. This detachment can best be achieved by passionately embracing the *objective* reality of God’s action in the liturgy.
I have seen too many people passionate about liturgy burn themselves out for lack of this detachment. When I read about people fleeing places, then I get concerned about this issue.
It might also help to know that the Roman way is precisely built on this sense of detachment. Liturgy in Italy — in the major basilicas in Rome itself — is not infrequently not exactly in strict conformity with rubrics. Romans have their laws, and follow them more or less as the need presents itself. However, they also do not recharacterize their noncompliance as a norm or as a virtue, etc. They are just more comfortable with some tension between law and life than Americans are. And there are deep cultural reasons for that. But, in a Catholic church, it often is a practical help to think more like a Roman than like an American.
Peace, Mike.
Thanks for the research. I had not known that the Germans were so fond of tabernacles in proximity to the altar, but that infromation jives with the contributions of German American Catholics to our nation’s heritage.I believe Saunders has also missed another solution: mounted on an architectural pillar, though I see his option 2 is close to this. Though his research is no doubt accurate, it may not be thorough. What was done in Koln and Munster may not have been practiced outside the German states, or even universally within them. At any rate, a separate chapel for large churches would seem to satisfy many practical and spiritual aspects for liturgy and devotion, I think.
Sorry to have painted you overbroadly with a traditionalist brush. You should also know that not every liberal liturgist abides by Dick Vosko as gospel. Offhand I can think of at least four or five “big name” liturgical consultants who provide better process and more balance. Vosko gets hired a lot because clergy admire his no-nonsense approach. It ruffles more feathers, but it gets the job done.
Todd,
You ask some good questions - would that every “progressively leaning” (or whatever) Catholic had your attitude. I think that more traditionally minded Catholics (like myself) are tired of going to mass and putting up with all the claptrap that’s not part of the rite. If every parish made a good faith effort to follow the rubrics (no unauthorized improvisations, made-up prayers, tiresome side comments, etc.) that would be a start (and I would almost stop complaining!). For instance, a pastor at a parish I used to attend said his own Eucharistic prayer - not original really - but cobbled from the various official prayers. And he said this every week, without ever saying the official one all the way through. I wouldn’t say he was “attacking” the liturgy, but he was either clueless and ignorant, or more likely, didn’t really *care* what the prayers were. He figured he understood the mass better than the Church - or at least that what was communicated by what he did - and he didn’t see the necessity or value of just giving the people the words of the liturgy without interpolation, commentary, and revision. The people have a right to that!
Now following the rubrics does not constitute good liturgy all by itself, but it’s the necessary starting point. But in too many places we’re far away even from that, and that’s a basic reason (in my opinion) why “traditionalists” continue to be frustrated and alienated, and sometimes seem all caught up in the rubrics.
Also, the basic orientation that is being conveyed in many masses is toward us, as if we have to do all the work, that the liturgy is our action, and God takes part in it. Of course it’s the other way around: it’s not primarily our action - it’s the action of Christ offering himself to the Father, which we participate in. So often the emphasis is just the other way, where it’s our party and God’s invited. We’re so busy “actively participating” that God can barely get a word in edgewise. I understand that there may be a little disagreement in theory on this, but in practice, this is what is implied. Some symptoms of this - lack of silence, a general “efficiency” or even rushing, everything is too loud and overwrought (esp. music), an over- emphasis on activity by people, esp. in the sanctuary, a casual atmosphere before and after mass. There’s little value given to reflection, silence, interiority, time. Basically, there seems to be little trust in the liturgy just to “do its thing” without a lot of tampering and fuss.
There’s many other things, but perhaps these could be some basic topics of the conversation.
Peace, Sam.
You have good points as well. I find the various discussions on silence during the liturgy to be revealing as I hear them from various St Bloggers. In my formative training as a liturgist, I was “indoctrinated” in the value of silence, and it was part of the progressive movement. Time and again, I have advocated for silence — a healthy silence in between the readings and psalms, as part of the presidential prayers, after Communion, etc.. The opposition I have experienced comes from the “clock-watchers,” clergy who are more concerned about getting people moving through a church like it was a fast food establishment with an ADD clientele.
I’ll keep harping on the theme as long as I post here that people who care about good liturgy have far more in common (despite an ideological split) than non-progressives do with each other (when they are undecided about “speedy liturgy versus quality liturgy”).
There is a point that many parish’ experience where people with traditional leaning views simpily pick up and leave, and go to a parish that will feed them spiritually. This has been a increasing trend in the last few years, and it is tolerated, mainly because it is traditional leaning Catholics in many cases who are keeping the old inner city parish’ alive. The parish I attend, and its not a indult/tridentine parish, is such a example, the local parish that I should attend does not even factor in anymore.
As for “American values”, I would say “American” values have no place in the running of a parish or any place in the liturgy, even a American flag within the nave of a parish is not appropriate, and the author is correct, altar girls were originally used because of dissent and the Vatican caved in, and still it is up to the pastor to choose if altar girls are needed or not, in most cases they are not, but that aside, altar girls in most parish’ were introduced not because of the laity wanting them, but the clergy pushing them.
If there is no sanctuary of liturgical sanity in a diocese, then that is a enviroment that the SSPX, and various others schismatics would thrive in, but so often clergy and their Bishops just do not care about meeting the needs of traditional Catholics.
Peace, John.
Parish hopping goes on for all sorts of reasons. Critics call it a sign of cafeteria Catholicism, but if you can move elsewhere and find grace and peace, why knock it?
As an American, I will be the first to admit many national “values” are not valuable at all. But some are.
I think the pastor is responsible in cases in which girls began serving at the altar. But I know of many lay people who moved for this in the 70’s, 80’s, and 90’s. Boys-only is hardly a mark of True Belief.
“Dissent” is too strong a word in this context, especially in light of support girls servers received from many bishops. Is the bishop the chief liturgist or not? Or is his input only valid if he says “nay?”








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