Sixth Sunday of Easter, Year B
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Oh, I am so sorry for you.
But not as sorry as I feel for me and the rest of our parish right now.
Our choir director programmed an anthem this morning called “In the Tomb” which carries the direction “lightheartedly”, has lyrics like “in the tomb, there is no weeping; on the floor, ther’s no one sleeping” (I’m not making this up,) and begins with a vamp that is pure Carpenters’ (all the old ladies in the soprano section mock it by singing “Why do birds, suddenly appear…” when the director starts his programmable keyboard…)
By the way, glad to see you posting on RPINet. Another voice of reason to combat Todd Anythinggoesaslongasitisntroman.
Hi there. I was just directed to your blog (what a truly ugly word) site by the Curt Jester’s site. I haven’t had time to browse through it thouroughly yet, but I saw no contact info so, as I have some questions, I will place them here in the hopes that you will see and maybe answer.
I am a Catholic singer/songwriter who often is called on to lead music for parish Masses as well as Masses and other special events for the Pro Sanctity Movement (www.prosanctity.org). I am currently doing some soul searching about some of the music usually chosen for Masses by oh so many people. First, I have just recently heard that Marty Haugen is not Catholic. I wonder if that means we should not be using his Mass parts for Mass. I love his Mass of Creation. It’s not perfect, but it is, in my opinion, musical, memorable and easy enough for the average person to sing. But the fact that he isn’t Catholic bothers me. Knowing that he had (I imagine) different meanings attached to the words… I mean, does he believe in the Mass? Does he believe in the Substantial Presence of Christ in the Eucharist? I don’t know… What do you think?
Also, my Church (St. Margaret Mary’s in Omaha) uses the OCP Respond and Acclaim for pslam responses. While I don’t really like OCP (for one thing they rejected some of my songs when I sent them in for publication ;), not to mention some of the questionable lyrics they publish) I have no problem defering to the liturgist of the parish who, in my opinion, does a commendable job. However, I find that some of the psalm responses are either UGLY musically, or just plain difficult. Now, I am a self trained guitarist. I took chorus back in high school but, really, I have very little formal training in music composition, etc. HOWEVER, I have been singing, solo and in various choirs, since I was in second grade, and have been cantoring since junior high. I believe I have enough experience in music by now to be able to judge “UGLY” and “difficult” when it come to music. My question here is: When I judge the psalm responses too difficult (I mean, if I can’t learn it in an hour then I doubt the average congregation will pick it up and sing it at the Mass) or too ugly (where even I don’t want to sing it) then I write my own, using the same words of course. I haven’t had any complaints from anyone, (parishioner, liturgist or pastor) yet, but I was wondering if you thought that was okay…
Your thoughts would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Well, the mere fact that you are using the correct words puts you ahead of Messrs. Haugen, Haas, and their pande— uhm, I mean, publishers at GIA.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the fact that Haugen isn’t Catholic — neither was Bach, and I don’t have a problem with his music.
I think whne he says “Holy, holy, holy” he means the same thing the Pope does. That is not to say that everything contained in one of his “Masses” is fit for a Catholic mass.
He plays fast and loose with the words to the Lamb of God, with inserting “acclamations” wherever he chooses (NOT contianed in the Ordo,) among other problems.
And I do have a problem with some of the lyrics (not speaking of Haugen here,) that GIA and OCP, ostensibly Catholic publishing houses, should be presumed to have vetted.
I know what you mean about unnecessary difficulty.
My husband is a professional singer, and recently started cantoring — he is often fuming about the badly written and arranged music.
Don’t despair!
The Church appreciates your work.
And don’t be discouraged by the fact that you are ’self-trained,” but please don’t let your traingin end!
Acquaint yourself with the great history of magnificent music to which Catholic worship has given birth. Don’t assume you have to limit yourself to current pop styles. Begin to see yourself as part of a continuum, a great tradition of music, and strive to create things of lasing value, not ephemeral and of the moment.
Learn Gregorian chant. (The psalm tones could be the answer to your problems with Respond and acclaim.)
Read Sacrosanctum Concilium.
God bless.
Thanks for the supportive comments. I am by no means done learning. The more I learn the more I find I need to learn. I think some people put too much stock in “official” formal training… but that’s a gripe for another time.
My small group (there are three of us) often pull out chant for meditations after communion. We do Ubi Caritas and Ave Verum very well. I have even written my own version of Ave Verum Corpus, in four part, which can be heard on our self produced CD and on our website. (shameless plug, sorry) When singing any of the Mass parts we tend to skip the Lamb of God and sing the Agnus Dei instead. We got a little bit of flack for it at first but everyone seemed to catch on rather quickly…
No offense, but this is the kind of thing formal training might provide — the knowledge that “Lamb of God” and “Agnus Dei” are the same thing (the latter is the Latin prhase for Lamb of God.)
You aren’t “skipping” one, they are interchangeable, you would probably never do both (unless you had a particularly beautiful polyphonic one, say, that you wanted to do before Mass, in concert, as it were.
Good luck and God bless!
Perhaps I didn’t explain myself very well. What I was trying to get across was that we would skip the english version “Lamb of God” from the Mass of Creation, or any of the other Mass parts. Instead we would sing the Latin “Agnus Dei” in chant. This is usually in the back pages of the OCP missalette described as “Mass XVIII”.
And I think to say the “Agnus Dei” is the latin phrase for the “Lamb of God” is really incorrect. “Lamb of God” is the english phrase for the latin “Agnus Dei”. The latin came first.
No offence taken.
I am interested in knowing when it is necessary to cantor and when it is preferrable to have congregation follow the hymn board.
In our parish the cantor (various people) have been instructed by the choir director (not a trained person) to announce (besides the service music)
Processional Hymn
Hymn for Preparation of Gifts
2nd Communion Hymn
Processional Hymn
It is a bit disturbing - and when I am taking my turn as organist I find it just plain silly. I notice other churches I attend do not do this. Please comment.
Thank you!
If they are all from a single hymnal, it shouldn’t be necessary. If they are from different places (like a one or two hymnals and a worship aid), then I have found it necessary only to lift up which thing the people should sing from, and not make a verbal announcement.
“when it is necessary to cantor and when it is preferrable to have congregation follow the hymn board.”
IRL, it depends on what the powers that be (usually the pastor, but perhaps the music director or liturgy committee,) think.
I’d prefer that the cantor were unseen and unheard except for the psalm between the readings, but when I came aboard practice was for the cantor to announce all the hymns. They were on mike for virtually everything.
Now, announcing the psalm has been added, as has the page number of the Gloria setting, since it was new (although it has now been sung for 8 1/2 months,) all at the behest of the pastor.
We do post the numbers, but we do have many elderly parishoners who say they need them announced because they can’t see or posted because they can’t hear; so perhpas it’s all for the best.
Most of the cantors are at least backing away from the mike a bit more, now. (As an assembly member I always find it unpleasant to be asked to provide back-up to a soloist on mike, and I assume others do as well.)








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